I’d say there’s a fair number of people just speculating.
And a couple people get lucky and make it big. And that’s promoted. Cuz it looks great.
But like a lot of the big movements, are money laundering as you said, or a way to bribe people. This politicians wife’s cousins son sold an NFT for 4 million that’s amazing!
But we get this with traditional art too. Any market where there isn’t commodity pricing, price discovery is flexible, so it can be used for lots of social reasons
Isn’t most art for money laundering. You move money and purchase a piece or “art” for 4 million. Art isn’t worth it. But because it’s been bought it now has a value. If you sell it. Now you’ve created money from nothing. Fucked up
You buy art from some no name but dead artist. You buy all the art. Then you take your dirty money which you can’t put on the open market, and give it to somebody who then uses clean money to buy your artwork on the public market. For a fee of course.
So now you have an argument that this artist is appreciating after their death, you’ve sold a bunch of artwork for a large profit, minus taxes, minus the cleaning fee from the buyer.
That would complete the money laundering cycle.
But that’s annoying, cuz you’re basically using somebody else to clean the money for you, it’s just the transfer back to you that the art facilitates.
I think bribes are where art really shines. Bribes are different than money laundering, because the money is ostensibly clean anyway, it’s just giving it to you for a reason that’s difficult. So the art is the excuse that enables the bribery
Certainly not. Millions of people create art every day for various reasons and various success. Heck, artists are generally known to be on the poorer end of society. That is the case even for some of the now most famous artists in history.
Is some art in certain circles used for money laundering? Most likely, but that’s definitely not “most” but at best mabye a few thousand pieces which are dwarfed by the billions of art pieces around today.
Art dealers then. The art that sells for millions. Who values these. One person buys it for something. So it creates that price tag. Now you can sell it for that valuation
jet@hackertalks.com 1 year ago
I’d say there’s a fair number of people just speculating.
And a couple people get lucky and make it big. And that’s promoted. Cuz it looks great.
But like a lot of the big movements, are money laundering as you said, or a way to bribe people. This politicians wife’s cousins son sold an NFT for 4 million that’s amazing!
But we get this with traditional art too. Any market where there isn’t commodity pricing, price discovery is flexible, so it can be used for lots of social reasons
Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Isn’t most art for money laundering. You move money and purchase a piece or “art” for 4 million. Art isn’t worth it. But because it’s been bought it now has a value. If you sell it. Now you’ve created money from nothing. Fucked up
eestileib@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Fine art and race horses, ad platforms, and let’s not forget high-end gambling and sports gambling.
Sheldon Adelson made billions laundering money for Chinese oligarchs through the Sands Singapore.
There’s so much dirty money floating from place to place with these obvious financial VPNs.
Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not wrong
jet@hackertalks.com 1 year ago
I don’t think your examples complete.
You buy art from some no name but dead artist. You buy all the art. Then you take your dirty money which you can’t put on the open market, and give it to somebody who then uses clean money to buy your artwork on the public market. For a fee of course.
So now you have an argument that this artist is appreciating after their death, you’ve sold a bunch of artwork for a large profit, minus taxes, minus the cleaning fee from the buyer.
That would complete the money laundering cycle.
But that’s annoying, cuz you’re basically using somebody else to clean the money for you, it’s just the transfer back to you that the art facilitates.
I think bribes are where art really shines. Bribes are different than money laundering, because the money is ostensibly clean anyway, it’s just giving it to you for a reason that’s difficult. So the art is the excuse that enables the bribery
Syndic@feddit.de 1 year ago
Certainly not. Millions of people create art every day for various reasons and various success. Heck, artists are generally known to be on the poorer end of society. That is the case even for some of the now most famous artists in history.
Is some art in certain circles used for money laundering? Most likely, but that’s definitely not “most” but at best mabye a few thousand pieces which are dwarfed by the billions of art pieces around today.
Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Art dealers then. The art that sells for millions. Who values these. One person buys it for something. So it creates that price tag. Now you can sell it for that valuation