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A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 6 hours agoIf crowdsec works for you thats great but also its a corporate product
It’s also fully FLOSS with dozens of contributors (not to speak of the community-driven blocklists). If they make money with it (presumably for large firms), great.
not exactly a pure self hosted solution.
Why? I host it, I run it. It’s even in Debian repos, but I choose their own more up-to-date ones.
All the self hosters in my internet circle started adopting anubis so I wanted to try it. Anubis was relatively plug and play with prebuilt packages
Yeah…
Allow me to expand on the problem I was having. It wasnt just that I was getting a knock or two, its that I was getting 40 knocks every few seconds scraping every page and searching for a bunch that didnt exist that would allow exploit points in unsecured production vps systems.
- Again, a properly set up WAF will deal with this pronto
- You should not have exploit points in unsecured production systems, full stop.
On a computational level the constant network activity of bytes from webpage, zip files and images downloaded from scrapers pollutes traffic. Anubis stops this by trapping them in a landing page that transmits very little information from the server side.
- And instead you leave the computations to your clients. Which becomes a problem on slow hardware.
- Again, with a properly set up WAF there’s no “traffic pollution” or “downloading of zip files”.
Anubis uses a weighted priority which grades how legit a browser client is.
And apart from the user agent and a few other responses, all of which are easily spoofed, this means “do some javascript stuff on the local client” (there’s a link to an article here somewhere that explains this well) which is much less trivial than you make it sound.
SmokeyDope@piefed.social 3 hours ago
Mmm how to say this. i suppose what I’m getting at is like a philosophy of development and known behaviors of corporate products.
So, here’s what I understand about crowdsec. Its essentially like a centralized collection of continuously updated iptable rules and botscanning detectors that clients install locally.
In a way its crowd sourcing is like a centralized mesh network each client is a scanner node which phones home threat data to the corporate home which updates that.
Notice the optimal word, centralized. The company owns that central home and its their proprietary black box to do what they want with. And so you know what for profit companies like to do to their services over time? Enshittify them by
adding subscription tier price models
putting once free features behind paywalls,
change data sharing requirements as a condition for free access
restricting free api access tighter and tighter to encourage paid tiers,
making paid tiers cost more to do less.
Intentionally ruining features in one service to drive power users to use a different.
They can and do use these tactics to drive up profit or reduce overhead once a critical mass has been reached. I do not expect alturism and respect for usersfrom corporations, I expect bean counters using alturism as a vehicle to attract users in the growing phase and then flip the switch in their tos to go full penny pinching once they’re too big to fail.
At the end of the day its not the thousands of anonymous users contributing their logs or Foss voulenteers on git getting a quarterly payout. They’re the product and free compute + live action pen testing ginnea pigs, no matter what PR they spin saying how much they care about the security of the plebs using their network for free.
Its always about maximizing the money with these people your security can get fucked if they dont get some use out of you. Expect at some point the tos will change so that anonymized data sharing is no longer an option for free tier.
What happens if the company goes bankrupt? Does it just stop working when their central servers shut down? Does their open source security have the possibility of being forked and run from local servers?
It doesnt have to be like this. Peer to peer Decentralized mesh networks like YaCy already show its possible for a crowdsourced network of users can all contribute to an open database. Something that can be completely run as a local Node which federates and updates the information in global node. Something like it that updates a global iptables is already a step in the right direction. In that theoretical system there is no central monopoly its like the fediverse everyone contributes to hosting the global network as a mesh which altruistic hobbyist can contribute free compute to on their own terms.
https://github.com/yacy/yacy_search_server
I"I dont see anything wrong with people getting paid” is something I see often on discussions. Theres nothing wrong with people who do work and make contributions getting paid. What’s wrong is it isnt the open source community on github or the users contributing their precious data getting paid, its a for profit centralized monopoly that controls access to the network which the open source community built for free out of alturism.
The pattern is nearly always the same. The thing that once worked well and which you relied on gets slowly worse each ToS update, while their pricing inches just a dollar higher each quarter, and you get less and less control over how you get to use their product. Its pattern recognition.
The only solution is to cut the head off the snake. If I can’t fully host all of the components, see the source code of the mechanisms at all layers, own a local copy of the global database, then its not really mine.
Again, it’s a philosophy thing. Its very easy to look at all that, shrug, and go “whatever not my problem I’ll just switch If it becomes an issue”. But the problem festers the longer its ignored or enabled for convinence. The community needs to truly own the services they run on every level, it has to be open, and for profit bean counters can’t be part of the equation especially for hosting. There are homelab hobbyist out there who will happily eat cents on a electric bill to serve an open service to a community, get 10,000 of them on a truly open source decentralized mesh network and you can accomplish great things without fear of being the product.