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• pennomi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I know you’re just here for the argument, and I’ve wasted enough time on this already. The “gamete size” simplification is Trumpist propaganda and not based in actual rigorous science.

  Actual biologists agree that bodies without sex organs don’t fit into the binary definition

  Hormone expression (in addition to gamete size) is also a critical factor that scientists use to define sex

  Determining “organization” in cases of “physical anomaly” via chromosomes is unreliable

  1.3% of people are born intersex, and “intersex” represents an entire continuum

  Educate yourself.

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  • powerstruggle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You seem like you should know better. From the first link:

    Instead, most characteristics ascribed to males and females fall along a spectrum with two peaks, one the average for females and the other the average for males. For instance, on average, males are taller than females and have more muscle mass, more red blood cells and a higher metabolism.

    But almost nobody fits in the peak for all those measures for their sex, Lents says. “There’s plenty of women who are taller than plenty of men. There are plenty of women who have higher metabolic rates than some men, even though the averages are different.

    “If you define biological sex purely on the gametes, you’re going to ignore most of what actually matters to your daily life, including in your social life,” he says. “Reducing sex to a binary really doesn’t make a lot of sense for how we actually live.”

    It confuses sex phenotypes with sex, which is a basic error. That’s not how sex is defined, it’s defined entirely by gamete size because no other definition makes sense.

    Intersex is a confusing term, because you will either have a male or female DSD

    Your other links are talking about variations within a sex. You also misunderstand how sex is determined vs how it is defined.

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    • pennomi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’m done with this conversation now because you’re being willfully ignorant (as expected). One quote talking about characteristics is out of context for this discussion. There is a wealth of other context here that you are intentionally ignoring, specifically the many parts showing that scientists do not all agree with a reductionist definition only considering gametes. Your claim that no other definition makes sense is absolute bullshit in the scientific community and you should be ashamed for pretending it’s the only definition out there.

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      • powerstruggle@sh.itjust.works ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’ll let someone else’s link (ironically trying ti argue with me) do the talking:

        In animals and plants, binary sex is universally defined by gamete type, even though sexes vary in how they are developmentally determined and phenotypically identified across taxa.

        Real biologists saying real facts. Incidentally, I don’t really get the point of histrionics like “I’m done” or another commenter calling facts “boring”. I guess that maybe works for twitter clapbacks where vibes are more important than facts? When you’re ready though, the scientific truth will still be there for you.

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