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• DandomRude@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If people didn’t invoke patriotism so excessively, as they do, for example, in the US with flag pledges in schools, Stars and Stripes air shows at sporting events after the national anthem, that gets played nearly every time, flags everywhere from houses to tv shows, and much much more constant declarations of love for this proud nation, if all that would not happen every day, don’t you think it be way harder to spread propaganda on this basis?

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  • atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not being able to use a word wouldnt stop all the other things mentioned

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    • DandomRude@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But stopping things like flag pledges that I mentioned would make the word less powerful for misuse.

      Well, I can see that you disagree and I don’t think we’ll ever see eye to eye on this.

      My opinion is that patriotism and nationalism cause far more harm than good. Of course, one can disagree, but I haven’t read a single comment in this entire thread that addresses why patriotism is so important or what positive effects it has.

      Only references to the fact that nationalism and patriotism are not the same thing, which is clear to me — still: interestingly, no one has addressed where the difference lies. And no one has addressed the actual statement, namely that both concepts are abused as instruments of power.

      That’s a shame.

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      • atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        But stopping things like flag pledges that I mentioned would make the word less powerful for misuse.

        Would stopping people from using the word “patriotism” help to stop that?

        I haven’t read a single comment in this entire thread that addresses why patriotism is so important or what positive effects it has.

        Even though i personally dont care about the word, i believe that allowing people to so easily erase the meanings of words can be more harmful than not forcing fascists to go from one word to another

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