People can be ignorant and even sexist without being manosphere. Neither of those strikes me as super Joe Rogan or Ben Shapiro-ey.

But yeah, we’re living in two separate worlds, and when a person ignores what half of us experience, it’s no different from a white person saying that black people just need to be polite to the police, the way they are. (As a teenager, I was regrettably that white person. But I’ve grown, and so can others in that situation)