Comment on YSK Joseph Stalin created the Great Terror. He started killing people randomly including artists, generals, doctors, diplomats, government officials. Everyone was terrified.

• leftascenter@tarte.nuage-libre.fr ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  China is not communist. Communism entails a classless society. China has social classes. And by definition any dictatorship has a ruler class.

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  • MourningDove@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    The CCP would like to disagree.

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• CatAssTrophy@safest.space ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  However, Marx (and most other communist philosophers) would agree, however.

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  • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    No. A communist society is stateless and classless. If there is a dictatorship, even a dictatorship of the proletariat, it is by definition not communist, and no educated Marxist would argue otherwise. However, we do have another term for the transition state between capitalism and communism where it is possible to have dictatorships - Socialism. (And Leninists would argue that a dictatorship of the proletariat is indeed the preferable state of affairs for any socialist state trying to survive in a global capitalist hegemony).

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    • CatAssTrophy@safest.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s literally what I was saying/implying, so I’m not sure “no” is a particularly valid response.

      The comment chain went like this:

      1. Communism can’t be a dictatorship.
      2. China disagrees with 1.
      3. Marx agreed with 1, i.e. Marx agreed communism can’t exist in a dictatorship.

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      • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Oh you’re totally right. My bad. 🙏

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  • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Per Marxism-Leninism the Dictatorship Of The Proletariat is a necessary step on the way to Communism, not the actual Communism.

    So whilst Communism cannot exist in a dictatorship, to get there one must go through a dictatorship and invariably nations that do so get stuck at the dictatorship stage and never reach Communism whilst calling themselves “Communist” as part of the propaganda that tries and maintain public support and misportray criticism of the regime as being “criticism of Communism” and “criticism of the Proletariat” (kinda like the Zionists, an even more evil regime, misportray criticism of their regime as criticism of those they claim to represent - the Jewish People) to keep the dictatorial structures going supposedly until Communism is reached, but as it’s never reached, in practice for as long as possible.

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