Comment on YSK Joseph Stalin created the Great Terror. He started killing people randomly including artists, generals, doctors, diplomats, government officials. Everyone was terrified.

• MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think communism can’t exist in a brutal dictatorship

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  • MourningDove@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    China would like to disagree.

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    • leftascenter@tarte.nuage-libre.fr ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      China is not communist. Communism entails a classless society. China has social classes. And by definition any dictatorship has a ruler class.

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    • CatAssTrophy@safest.space ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      However, Marx (and most other communist philosophers) would agree, however.

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      • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world ⁨33⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        No. A communist society is stateless and classless. If there is a dictatorship, even a dictatorship of the proletariat, it is by definition not communist, and no educated Marxist would argue otherwise. However, we do have another term for the transition state between capitalism and communism where it is possible to have dictatorships - Socialism. (And Leninists would argue that a dictatorship of the proletariat is indeed the preferable state of affairs for any socialist state trying to survive in a global capitalist hegemony).

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• ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Unless you think communism can’t exist outside of a brutal dictatorship.

  literally the opposite of that

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  • roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Then why bring communism into a critique of a dictator concerning his methods of control.

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    • ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      because it’s Stalin, former leader of the USSR…
      commonly used as an example of why communism is so bad.
      you’re really confused about that?

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      • roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        And yet, here this person is, not incorrectly using Stalin to say communism is bad. He is criticizing Stalin on his merits, or lack thereof, and not using one person to disparage communism.

        You are one tying Stalin’s crimes to communism.

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• WinGirl99@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It is the actually opposite of that. Socioeconomic factors are the main force of politics. Politics are not limited with the vote box. rather i,t affects all of the people who are the part of society. Within communism there would be no need for democracy. Indirect democracy also creates a ruling class. I would prefer individuals collective decision more than a bureaucrat’s decision that i voted.

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  • roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How would you determine what the individuals collectively decide?

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    • WinGirl99@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Talking with each other at the peoples local council not going to a ballot box to elect some stupid bastad to make decisions for them. I DO NOT CONSENT someone to have my all will. An example can enlight this. I vote for the opposite party as an lgbt+ individual but they are not mentioning my daily life problems instead they are making populism with the religion i do not believe.
      
      You may say it is also a democracy by its defination and you are not wrong but the classical democracy is tyrant of the mass. I want the mass to be knitted for the minority. Just because we are the less should not mean that our opinions matter less. But under the classical democracy it is. Under the classical democracy homophobes are the majority and lgbt+ people are the minority.

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      • frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You’re describing Direct Democracy vs Representative Democracy. Direct Democracy is what we also saw in places like Athens or ancient Greece, where all of the individuals came together and voted collectively on making decisions.

        Representative Democracy is what we have in the US today with elected officials.

        Direct Democracy is a lot more difficult to implement unless countries become smaller imo, although in the digital age it could be made more possible. Plus there’s the matter of maintaining a militia, although maybe we just expand the current version of the UN’s military budget in that case.

        I feel that under Direct Democracy you would still have the issue of bigots outnumbering you in certain areas but not so in others.

        The issue with the US’ representative system is that we artificially capped the amount of seats for the House of Representatives and even the Senate so that land has more power than people. If the House was uncapped Federally, and the even the Senate, then people living in Blue/densely populated states would have more fair representation.

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