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EightBitBlood@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

Like the 3000 scientists, engineers, and designers that helped him build that yacht for research?

That collaboration started with the design and build. Newell joined forces with YTMC, Y.CO, the Oceanco Design team, Lateral Naval Architects, Mark Berryman Design, and thousands of designers, engineers, and other experts to bring his dream vessel to fruition. The names of the nearly 3,000 contributors are listed near the main staircase, in fact. “It is this level of collaboration that sets Leviathan apart from anything we’ve built before,” Oceanco CEO Marcel Onkenhout said in a statement.

Is there more efficient ways to spend this money on research? Sure. But don’t equate this effort as meaningless just because it’s not perfect. It’s a great place to be a researcher, but it’s still for research.

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CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

to bring his dream vessel to fruition.

God how much money was wasted on havingthousands of people work on the design of his vanity project?

Yes, it’s better than other vanity projects, but it is still a wasteful vanity project.

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- EightBitBlood@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  It’s his vessel because he paid for it. That’s how money works. There’s no other pronoun that is appropriate.
  
  Here’s the rest of the article that completely unwinds how far you want to stretch that term:
  
  “His” yacht made through collaboration:
  
  “Not only have we designed a very unusual yacht that leans into Oceanco’s strengths of innovation and design, but the team has also been willing to collaborate with us on evolving the process.”
  
  “His” yacht made to have the least environmental impact from noise or oil polution (Diesel hybrid electric engine):
  
  Huge efforts were made to reduce noise and vibration, thereby creating a pleasant onboard environment. The hybrid diesel-electric propulsion system is whisper-quiet, and the engine room is positioned further forward to reduce noise. The built-in battery bank also allows for silent nighttime operation.
  
  “His” yacht made to have little maintenance requirements so the crew can focus on science and research:
  
  Leviathan is also incredibly low-maintenance. The off-white exterior and synthetic handrails require less cleaning, for example. That means the crew can spend less time on routine maintenance and more time on more important tasks. “We adopted a crew-centric approach that really digs into how Leviathan is operated and maintained,” explains Newell.
  
  “His” thoughts on “His” yacht being used to better the scientific community instead of just him.
  
  “Yachts have great potential to serve as platforms for scientific research,” adds Newell. “It’s about recognizing that you’re part of a broader community and ensuring the yacht’s presence adds value to the communities around it.”
  
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  - CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    Huge efforts were made to reduce noise and vibration, thereby creating a pleasant onboard environment.
    
    Oh what a good billionaire, his efforts to make his onboard environment more pleasant is also beneficial to the outside environment! Such a giver!
    
    The off-white exterior and synthetic handrails require less cleaning, for example.
    
    The colour of paint chosen for his mega yacht really shows how much he cares!
    
    How about you ask yourself how many scientists and engineers HE paid to have a job to work on this?
    
    And you haven’t been listening. I’m not repeating myself on this point anymore.
    
    You just see a yacht and think the worse. Worlds far less black and white.
    
    Literally the opposite of what I said at the end of my previous post. If you’re not going to bother to read what I say then what are we doing here?
    
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    EightBitBlood@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    The end of your previous post:
    
    Yes, it’s better than other vanity projects, but it is still a wasteful vanity project.
    
    The literal definition of a vanity project:
    
    dictionary.reverso.net/…/vanity+project
    
    project undertaken for self-satisfaction.
    
    Each one of the examples I provided shows very clearly this yacht was NOT made for HIS self-satisfaction. Rather, it was literally made to the satisfaction of the research team that uses the yacht.
    
    Specifically:
    
    “His” yacht being used to better the scientific community instead of just him.
    
    Made quite literally for a large team of scientists as he is the second largest contributor to deep sea research on the planet. Nearly the exact opposite of being for vanity.
    
    “His” yacht made to have the least environmental impact from noise or oil pollution.
    
    Made for the environment. Not Gabe. So not for vanity.
    
    Huge efforts were made to reduce noise and vibration, thereby creating a pleasant onboard environment.
    
    Made for sensative aquatic life that engine noises can disturb and affect the research of. Not for Gabe. So not for vanity.
    
    “His” yacht made to have little maintenance requirements so the crew can focus on science and research.
    
    Made to be easy to work on for the hundreds of crew that maintain it. Not for Gabe. So not for vanity.
    
    Every point of my last comment was proving your statement about this being a vanity project completely and unquestionably wrong. But I guess I just understand your last sentence better than you.
    
    You are shitting on the best deep sea scientific research vessel in existence while implying you have the moral high ground. There’s nothing immoral about scientific research just because it happens on a yacht.
    
    You are literally using the same logic as a cop saying a person with dark skin is a criminal. This yacht clearly isn’t a vanity project. It is for Inksea, and being used to help fight climate change and the affect that has on deep sea ocean currents.
    
    But to you this yacht is just as criminal as a dark skinned person is to a cop. No exceptions.
    
    Please understand: the point you are making is not incorrect. But the way you are making it very much is.
    
    I completely agree that Billionaires shouldn’t exist, and in general most yachts are unquestionably vanity projects. But this one clearly isn’t.
    
    So if you want to make your point heard, going about it through uncompromising bigotry is just about the worst way to make it.
    
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