Comment on ProtonMail Logged IP Address of French Activist; Should You Be Worried About Your Privacy?
Nyxias@fedia.io 3 weeks agoYes, exactly.
Privacy is and should be a right, absolutely.
But it doesn't absolve anyone from the right to shroud from any crime committed, period.
should be a right, absolutely if you’ve done nothing wrong.
The loss of privacy happens before the determination whether that person has done anything wrong. If the person’s criminal case goes well, do you have a time machine to go back and not invade privacy?
I’m from the US and we have a system in place for search warrants. It’s not a great system if I’m being honest, but I believe something of the sort will likely always be necessary. Do you have an alternative suggestion? I’m legitimately interested in different options.
At the very least have controls in place ensuring disposal of data when court cases are fully processed to the full extent of appeals possibilities. Not allowing broad requests such as « everyone that connected to a given antenna for a month » or even « all connections toward NET or ASN whatever ». Additionally have the data fully isolated, removing all possibilities to cross use data initially granted for a purpose. I could go on for a while… It’s all a balance though, sometimes reuse leads to solving unrelated cases but it’s bound to the imperfections of local authorities everywhere one’s data can be requested.
Agreed on all counts, and that’s mostly how warrants should work, but that does not address the persons point. They seem to suggest full privacy should exist until found guilty of a crime.
It’s an atrocious system, innocent people get killed every year over it.
I don’t think the concept is inherently flawed, but the execution is obviously terribly flawed. If several people credibly report seeing someone burry a body in their yard, the description of which corresponds to a missing person, I understand how getting a warrant to at least visually inspect their property would be necessary to fully investigate this claim. I don’t think this requires the kind of force we often see, but I don’t see people offering alternatives to warrants in general. I understand that privacy is a fundamental right, but presumably that’s where a judge would come in to decide if there was probable cause to partially suspend that right.
I am open and interested in hearing alternatives, but I do not see them posed. I think what underlies the system would function fine with a less militarized group enforcing it.
No, because that's the part where someone should've learned a lesson or two. What do you mean if a criminal case goes well? If someone is suspected of something and may be involved in a crime, what entitlement do you have? It is part of a criminal investigation process. You either comply or worsen your odds by raising suspicions if you continually refuse to cooperate because you're too busy debating police officers about "MUH PRIVACY". Duuuuuhhhhhhh!
Did you think you stepped on some checkmate kind of discovery here? No, you didn't.
rumba@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Through who’s lens?
When a person is raped and seeking an abortion from Texas, do they deserve to be stripped of privacy? What about countries that see being gay a crime?
I don’t particularly care about proton outing people, but they should absolutely be restricted from advertising that they’re more private or secure than any other provider out there.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
In the US right now, we’re seeing this unfold. With the talk about classifying transgender folks as nihilistic violent extremists, who fucking knows.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
When freedom of speech breaks down, and the government is logging / tracking all social media on the front end and back end AND private communication tools are under attack, nothing is really safe anymore. Most disturbingly, once they deem X or Y to be unlawful, if you’ve EVER talked about X or Y, you’re at risk.
Nyxias@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Apples and Oranges comparisons here also, you're making some bad examples out of the gate that probably isn't worth breaking down.
When Proton advertises about being more private and secure. That's a lot to be said there than say Google, who dances badly to the tune of "we're not evil", lying to your face on a consistent basis. You won't ever know if Google is reading anything you've got in your little GMail box or what you decide to use in the services they offer. Do you truly believe that you're getting privacy from all fronts from the countless things Google offers you? It's too good to be true. Why do you think it knows so much about you when you use several of their services?
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I could say the same about your comment.
Nyxias@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Yeah because you have nothing intelligent to reply with. Don't be choking on those upvotes of similarly minded people who also probably have nothing intelligent to add or any answers to what I presented. Still doesn't paint you any smarter.