Comment on Mathematics disproves Matrix theory, says reality isn’t simulation

survirtual@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• SaraTonin@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I mean, simulation theory is kind of a joke itself. It’s a fun thought experiment, but ultimately it’s just solipsism repackaged.

  In reality there’s no more evidence for it than there is for you being a butterfly dreaming it’s a man. And it seems to me that the only reason people take it at all seriously in the modern age is because Elon Musk said he believed it back when he had a good enough PR team that people thought he was worth listening to.

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  • survirtual@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Simulation theory is actually an inevitability. Look up ancestor simulators for a brief on why.

    Eventually when civilization reaches a certain computationally threshold it will be possible to simulate an entire planet. The inputs and outputs within the computational space will be known with some minor infinite unknowns that are trivial to compensate for given a higher infinite.

    Either we are already in one or we will inevitably create one in the future.

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    • SaraTonin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There’s a few wild leaps in logic, here.

      Firstly, we know of life evolving once. Just one planet. In the entire universe. We can postulate that with such a vast universe (and possibly multiverse) that it’s probable that other life exists elsewhere, but we don’t know that. It could be a unique event or an incredibly rare event. We can’t say, because 1 is way too small a sample size to extrapolate from.

      But you’re not even extrapolating from 1 datapoint. You’re extrapolating from something that you think might be true at some point in the future.

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      • survirtual@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I am skipping steps because this topic demands thought, research, and exploration, but ultimately the conclusion is, in my view, inevitable.

        We are already building advanced simulators. Video games grow in realism and complexity. With realtime generative AI, these games will become increasingly indistinguishable to a mind. There are already countless humans simultaneously building the thing.

        And actually, the lack of evidence of extra-terrestrial life is support of the idea. Once a civilization grows large enough, they may simply build Dyson sphere scale computation devices, Matrioshka brains. Made efficient, they would emit little to know EM radiation and appear as dark gravitational anomalies. With that device, what reason would beings have to endanger themselves in the universe?

        But I agree, the hard evidence isn’t there. So I propose human society band together and build interstellar ships to search for the evidence.

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  • interdimensional_sharts@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The DMT I took yesterday says otherwise

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  • kromem@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Have you bothered looking for evidence?

    What makes you so sure that there’s no evidence for it?

    For example, a common trope we see in the simulated worlds we create are Easter eggs. Are you sure nothing like that exists in our own universe?

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    • SaraTonin@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If we’re in a simulation then we’d have no idea what’s outside that simulation, so we’d have no idea what an easter egg would look like.

      But it’s not my job to find evidence to prove other people’s claims. It’s their job to provide evidence for those claims. That’s true regardless of whether the claim is that we live in a simulation, that we’re ruled over by a benevolent omnipotent god, or whether there’s a teapot orbiting between Mars and the sun.

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• skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You don’t even need to reject the applicability of Gödel, because there’s no proof that our universe doesn’t include a bunch of undecidable things tucked away in the margins. Jupiter could be filled with complete nonsense for all we know.

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