Comment on Java 21 makes me actually like Java again

• BatmanAoD@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s not possible to instantiate or assign, which is more like a never type than a unit; and it is not possible to define new types with the same properties, which is also more like bottom than unit. But you’re right that it’s not actually a true never type since it can’t represent function divergence.

  I think the truth is just that Java’s type system isn’t very mathematically disciplined.

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  • aloso@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s not possible to instantiate or assign, which is more like a never type than a unit

    Actually, this is because void is not a type, it is just a keyword, that is allowed only instead of the return type.

    If it were a bottom type, that would mean that a method returning void must diverge, which is simply not true.

    Also, even if it were a bottom type, it would be possible to write an “unreachable” method

    void foo(void bottom) {
        return bottom;
    }
    

    But it is not, because void isn’t a bottom type, it’s no type at all.

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    • BatmanAoD@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The post has been edited; it looks like someone on reddit made essentially the same point. You’re right of course that void isn’t a true type in Java, but the post now also discusses Void, which I suppose just shows how void infects the type system despite not being a type.

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