Comment on Muslim states join European powers in backing Trump Gaza plan
Aria@lemmygrad.ml 4 weeks ago
It’s not clear from reading the article, but the proposed peace plan, the context here, is that they demand Palestinians completely disarm/kill themselves, and for ownership over Gaza to be given to Trump and Israel. No one should even entertain this proposal.
couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Pretty wrong on most points here, except that Hamas would have to disarm
Multiple muslim majority countries have agreed to send troops for a peace force. Their main job will be to keep armed groups to regroup and attack Israel
Ownership of ´the ground´ is not an issue at first, the main way Trump and his buds will be making their money will be through leeching the money donated for rebuilding
Aria@lemmygrad.ml 3 weeks ago
Which ones are these? Why do you describe them as ‘muslim majority’, are you implying this a holy war? Or are muslims uniquely opposed to genocide? Because then it’s prudent to remember that Jordan and Egypt are muslim majority countries but among the top enablers and participants in the genocide.
The conflict is over ownership of Palestine. Israel is illegally occupying Palestine. It is an issue.
They will make money through hotels and selling land to settlers, same as he previously said he would. reuters.com/…/trumps-gaza-riviera-echoes-kushner-…
Let’s go through the plan without the weasel wording.
You accused me of being wrong on the majority of my points, except for one of my two points. The remaining point being that Gaza must be surrendered to Trump and Israel. If we look through the proposal, articles 1, 2, 6, 9, 11, 13, 15, 16, 19 support my claim.
couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It’s funny that you complain about weasel wording but can’t see it in yourself or, more likely, allow it for yourself. Your claims that the Palestinians have to kill themselves or leave under this ‘plan’ doesn’t jive with reality.
Donnie knows that staying friends with the sunni states makes him a lot of money. A lot more money than he can ever make from the people that would give that up to add a small strip of land to Israel. Making the supposedly “fully behind Palestine” leaders of these countries lose face completely by having them backing this plan publicly and then shredding it will lose him a lot of money.
It’s much more profitable to continue their alliance. Removing the threat of Hamas in the same way as was done with Hezbollah makes everyone* happy and opens the opportunity to make money from it either way. They can say they saved the Gazans while Israel gets a security upgrade and hostages.
(* except the ultrazionists, which may have swing because they can drop the Israeli government but are still a rather small faction despite what people try to make you believe. If Hamas agree publicly, Bibi will go for elections before he’ll slap Trump with a 180 to please these bozo’s.)
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Ah yes, the good ol’ “Sir, how dare you imply a religious conflict?!” smh
Aria@lemmygrad.ml 3 weeks ago
I’m sorry do you not think this is weasely?
This is article 10. Please explain to me how my abbreviation does anything else than remove positive loading and noise.
21 days ago, the USA invited Palestine to Doha to negotiate. Then they bombed the Palestinian delegation with fighter jets. The Qatari prime minister said “The Qatar-US security and defence partnership is stronger than ever and continues to grow” the following day.
Article 13 enables the death of all Palestinians at the moment of Israel’s choosing. Israel has shown that their goal is the eradication of Palestinians.
This is not a religious conflict. You’re being orientalist. The Israeli’s are not religious, they are just racist. When western nations want emaciation, you don’t ascribe illogical motivations to them, you take it for granted that emancipation is worthwhile.
If you think this proposal has any balance, then go through it again but replace Gaza with Ukraine and Trump with Putin and see if you would consider it viable for Ukraine.