Comment on ‘We would reverse it’: Ley writes back to Republicans over recognition of Palestine

• Tenderizer@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  With Coalition support. The CIA and LNP can do a lot together.

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  • Ilandar@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I doubt anyone in the US knows who Ley is or cares if she writes a letter to them. This is much more about her own political survival than Albanese’s

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    • Tenderizer@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s attempted conspiracy to commit treason at this stage, which is pathetic and embarrassing but still evil. And as Norah said they may learn who Ley is after this, though that’s predicated on Trump being able to read.

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    • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Which is why she’s writing this letter, to signal she’ll suck them off if they let her.

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      • Ilandar@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        It doesn’t really matter if they’ll let her or not. She has zero power and is irrelevant, she can’t even control her own party. They are at best two election cycles away from reelection and there’s no way she’ll last till then. Even if she did, Trump will likely be dead or out of office and the Republican Party will be too busy with infighting to worry about Australian politics.

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• HalfEarthMedic@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Its been a while and I’m writing from memory so happy to have clarifications.

  There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that the CIA encouraged John Kerr to dissolve parliament. The US govt definitely didn’t like Whitlam’s foreign policy and wanted him gone. John Kerr was definitely in touch with the CIA and the director of the CIA called him “our man Kerr”. It is also unprecedented before and since(unpostcidented?) for a governor general to dissolve parliament without advice from the PM nor did he seek advice from the queen. I believe, and I think it’s a not uncommon opinion among serious historians, that there was some nudging from the CIA hoping that Whitlam would be ousted before the crisis could resolve itself with Whitlam retaining leadership and that things might’ve been different had the CIA not been subtly pushing their agenda.

  Gillard’s ousting I’m less familiar with and so I’m a bit lighter on the details. Again, the US definitely preferred her foreign policy stance and the party members who pushed for Rudd’s removal had ties with the US. Maybe there was some nudging going on. I don’t know enough to judge this one.

  Both of these happened on a background of waning leadership of the leader and a viable, electable, alternative already in place. Ley is a joke, it would take more than a nudge from the CIA to get her in.

  I’ll sign off now feeling that I’ve sufficiently annoyed both sides.

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  • Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    nor did he seek advice from the queen

    Jenny Hocking - Palace Letters is definitely a key source for these questions.

    Kerr certainly sought a great deal of advice from the Queen through her private secretary Charteris.

    Anthony Mason, and one other High court judge were certainly involved.

    CIA, they might not have liked Whitlam, they mighy have expressed a specific interest in the happenings of an ally. But i don’t know if i’d even call that circumstantial evidence they were involved. The Americans could have been given a nod and a wink from Buckingham.

    The key element here though, is Kerr pursued it for months and months contacting and almost obsessing over this unproven power. From what i’ve read, i can’t see that anyone but Kerr himself was the central driving force behind the sacking. The rest are certainly interested parties though, some like the High court justices i think acted treasonously.

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  • Ilandar@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’m pretty sure Gillard’s was purely about domestic polling and had nothing to do with the US. There’s a TV series called ‘The Killing Season’ that interviewed a lot of the people involved. Thanks for the effort you put into explaining the two.

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