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Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 11 hours agoI never said the opposite. But social nets have their limits because resources are not infinite. First we need to make sure the material needs of our people are met before we can help others. I don’t understand how this is a controversial thing to say.
astutemural@midwest.social 8 hours ago
The idea that we don’t have the resources to help everyone is patently false. We could provide for everyone on Earth with about 40% of total production. The problem is not the very poor, crammed into tiny apartments and eating bad food. The problem is the ultrawealthy controlling orders of magnitude more wealth than they could even remotely need.
Secondly, again: claiming we need to help ‘our own’ before ‘others’ is inherently exclusionary. I count every person on Earth as ‘our own’. You apparently don’t.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
True we have the resources in theory. The problem is that the necessary structural change to do that right now is so great that it can only be done by literally nuking civilization out of existence and starting over again. Seeing as that might not actually be a good option, we need to slow walk it because the other ways have been tried and they don’t end well
And yes I’m exclusionary. I would love to hop on a plane and move to somewhere in Spain right now. But guess what? They don’t make it that easy. That’s what I meant early when I said something about everyone being on the same legal framework. I couldn’t find th right words but the gist is that unless every country on earth has open borders then no country on earth should have open borders.
astutemural@midwest.social 5 hours ago
Nope. Other countries having bad policy is no excuse for our country to. We’re the fucking wealthiest country on Earth. Oh, and people like you who insist that structural change is impossible is the reason change is impossible. You are a self-fulfilling prophecy that continues our country’s policy of commiting social murder. You are the problem.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
It’s weird that all countries have the same policies if they are so bad. But here’s the fact: the stronger your safety nets, the more difficult do you have to make immigration lest the system collapse. And allowing immigrants that cannot access the safety nets is a sure fire way to increase your crime rate because now you have a underclass that wouldn’t have existed. So yes the US should have laxer immigration policies than other countries, but not full blown open borders. Not unless there is a practical reason to do so, which there isn’t.
I never said it was impossible, I said we need to slow walk it because it can’t be radical, not unless you are willing to commit literal murder. I’d advocate for accelerationism first before I advocate for killing people who oppose you ideologically.