Comment on His message touched me. I feel no empathy

• dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What they think doesn’t matter. There is stuff that is objectively good and there is stuff that is objectively bad.

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  • pebbles@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Now hold up. We’ll start having too much fun with relativism if you keep talking like that.

    But even being a relativist, I find being a utilitarian is really helpful for actually interacting with the world. It’s just that whatever formula you use will always be shit from the perspective of another totally legit value system.

    All that to say: Yeah I agree, doesn’t matter if he thought he was Jesus. He was causing real harm to people.

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    • msage@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      He took money to harm others. There are few more evil positions.

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      • pebbles@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think objective morality gives blind spots because it can be a bit thought terminating. If you keep asking why something is good or bad, you’ll eventually find yourself at an assumption that isn’t really better than, “thats just what I feel”.

        But also I get it if you don’t see it that way. I couldn’t make the phrase “good and bad are two sides of the same coin” be anything but a lie for a few years. And maybe I’m just crazy for having that make sense to me now.

        But I really think that value systems and world views can’t be ranked in a vaccume. Therefore I don’t see any objectiveness.

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  • eager_eagle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not saying it’s right, I’m saying the version of the story they tell themselves isn’t the same version others have.

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• rarsamx@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I have a problem believing he thought is wholesome. to celebrate violence or lack of empathy.

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