Comment on ActivityPub vs RSS Atom etc. Why Federate instead of aggrigate?

Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• Coopr8@kbin.earth ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  If you read the post you'll note I mention Webmention, email, and XMPP, which all handle bidirectional communication in different ways. Webmention in particular enables implementation of both on-site comments and pulling comments from off-site services to display locally on a post/page, as well as replies to those comments.

  I'm not suggesting RSS alone is sufficient, but rather that existing solutions/protocols appear to exist for the problems ActivityPub seems to be solving, but without the step of intermediating publishing through federated servers. A client could be built tying these protocols together as a social networking front end.

  My question is, what is ActivityPub solving that the combination of these existing services do not? Unidirectionality isn't it, though someone's prior comment pointed out the efficiency of push vs pull in terms of content distribution and I do see that point.

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  • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I mention Webmention, email, and XMPP

    None of those are part of RSS.

    what is ActivityPub solving that the combination of these existing services do not?

    The simple fact that they are not a “combination of services”, they are a single service.

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    • rglullis@communick.news ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      XMPP is for private messages, not public discussion.

      XMPP is just the transport. You can build a public social network on top of XMPP just fine.

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      • Coopr8@kbin.earth ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Interesting, I have actually used Movim for xmpp chat before but not fully explored its publishing features. This is a good nudge to do so. I wonder how it handles "communities". I have been tracking XMPP recent development and threads are just now getting support, though they function more like tags in chat streams than like threads in a Lemmy sense in current implementations. It seems like the "Spaces" concept proposed in XEP-0503 would round this out, and I have discussed how Nicolo of Slidge plans to work on this woth the Movim dev team, it would make sense Spaces would much improve the blogging/forum functionality of Movim. I was asking about it for the potential of replacing Matrix/Discord with XMPP.

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    • Coopr8@kbin.earth ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I'm suggesting federation is not necessary, thats the whole point.

      Use Atom or RSS for content identification / distribution.

      Use Webmention for comments and cross-posting.

      Use email or XMPP for direct messages.

      Build a client that provides these functions and with these protocols and what is it missing that ActivityPub provides? That's my question.

      Your answer, that it is one protocol, is fair enough.

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