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Comment on Proton Mail Suspended Journalist Accounts at Request of Cybersecurity Agency

Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

This seems like more of a mistake than a sign of malicious or misaligned intention. Proton publish their stats about data requests, how many they comply with how many they fight and how many they win. They fight a majority of them probably more than most other companies.

The CEO needs to go his ‘republicans fight for the little guy’ comments are so toxic and will get brought up everytime something like this happens and its hard to trust a company that has that kind of a person running it.

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crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Learn to investigate and verify info. It seems like you just read a headline or some comments and took them as fact and did zero follow up.

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- Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Nah I have seen the entire story and its follow ups. He straight up bit the rightwing talking point hook.
  
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shifty@leminal.space ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
medium.com/…/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-d…

There’s a lot more nuance to it than just ‘Proton CEO supports Trump (and therefore all of Trump’s policies)’

From the comments: “Andy’s statement was to recognise the choice of the Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust division at DOJ. This is someone who has history of going after tech monopolies and allowing room for the little guys (startups) to have a fair chance to grow and innovate. This was not a political endorsement.”

And at the very least the CEO controversy reveals all the issues with America’s two party Sith or Jedi system, there’s no room for nuance or discussion, just rage. Look at all the other top comments here.

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- artyom@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  There is no nuance in American politics. Only tribal culture wars. You're team red or team blue. Simple as. Something good? Claim your team. Something bad? Blame the other team. That being said, Andy is not American.
  
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- stardust@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  That article is such bullshit. That anonymously submitted medium article that gets floated around ignores Internet Association, so wouldn’t be shocking if it was from proton attempting to do PR damage fixating on identity politics with intentional omission of Internet Association involvement.
  
  Yen conveniently ignored that after working at the FTC, Slater become the vice-president for legal and regulatory policy for the Internet Association lobby group. Which was founded by “small business” like Google, Amazon, eBay and Facebook.
  
  And involved in trying to infringe upon privacy rights. eff.org/…/lawmakers-must-not-let-internet-associa…
  
  So yeah, proton founder cherry picked information that tried to make it seem like it was acceptable to praise the pick when reality is the past is too murky to endorse in any manner.
  
  Now seeing straight up bribing and gifts from corporations not even hiding it the whole thing aged like milk.
  
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  - shifty@leminal.space ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Ugh. My Obi-wan moment or something. ‘You were the Chosen One Proton!’
    
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    stardust@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I found it odd back then that they shifted to strategy of saying how could he support Trump if Yen isnt sexist and isnt homophobic when uproar was Slater’s anti consumer past being ignored. And they kept shifting away from Slater career criticism like some form of gaslighting and ignoring it. And it worked on some people, since they forgot about the positive endorsement of Trump’s pick while omitting Slater’s murky past because look how not racist Yen is.
    
    But, Tim Cook groveling before Trump showed that people who’s goal is to make more money will sell themselves out to try and get within the inner circle if it is more financially advantageous to do so regardless of their personal ideologies. Money and power rules them. It’s fortunate for Proton the sucking up didn’t get them any further, since who knows if Yen would be giving golden gifts at Trump’s dinners if he’d been invited into the fold. “Dear Mr. President you are the most privacy respecting leader in the world and here is a golden statue as a gift.”
    
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- ultranaut@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The nuance seems to be that he made stupid partisan statements not because he is a partisan but because he is stupid. He profoundly misunderstands Trump and Republicans if he genuinely believes that nonsense. Its hard to trust someone with such terrible judgement, and its hard to trust Proton because they handled the situation so poorly.
  
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  - shifty@leminal.space ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Agreed on the stupidity. He should have had PR running his accounts or at least approving his posts. But now that the cat is out of the bag I’m really conflicted about being a Proton Visionary subscriber, and try to use other services like Filen, Cryptpad, Bitwarden, Aegis, etc, so I’m not all concentrated on Proton like I was on Google Suite.
    
    I just made a Tuta mail account for if I do decide to move away from Proton.
    
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- Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I know i am well aware of what happened. I dont think hes a right winger but this take was so far off reality it was alarming. Go read through the reddit thread where people push him to defend his statement and he cant.
  
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  - pressanykeynow@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    he is symapthic to the right wing narative at a time where any sane person shouldnt have been
    
    He’s not American though, things have nuance sout of your tribal system.
    
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    athinglikethat@leminal.space ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah, it’s a Swiss company, and nobody likes to get money from nazis as much as Swiss businessmen and bankers! “Neutral”=for sale to highest bidder. Very nuanced indeed. 🙄
    
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    Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I couldnt find where he was from so feel free to correct me if you know. But my guess is that Andy is American or at least has lived in America for enough years to know about American politics.
    
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    ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’m not German, but I would know better than to praise a pick from the AfD.
    
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  - shifty@leminal.space ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I have similar conflicted feelings after being a long time Visionary Subscriber.
    
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    Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Its a hard choice because I do like the work they are doing and I like paying for the suite of tools all in one. But I feel like the tools are half baked and missing a ton of features which is to be expected by an up and coming company. I dont know if I should continue to support them to reach their goal or just move onto another company and delay having an strong competitor in the market. Them having half owner ship in a swiss non profit is pretty much the only thing giving me strong trust in the product not getting enshittified but with the crappy AI getting slapped in its testing my resolve.
    
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- Jerry@feddit.online ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yes, well stated. This is why I usually skip reading people's comments. The vast majority see everything through their own agendas and just echo words they hear.
  
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