Comment on ‘A fundamental part of growing up’: Why Aussie kids can’t swim any more

• Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You came into this conversation with an argumentative tone, don’t put that on me. It didn’t even make sense. The article presents data and shares anecdotes that do a good job of personalising that data. Why are you accusing it of inventing problems when its data pretty solidly supports that. If you wanted to criticise the source of the data or the methodology by which the conclusions were drawn from the data, that would be one thing (and we could evaluate the merits of that kind of reasoning in context), but you didn’t…you just claimed they were presenting anecdotes that create fear unsupported by data, despite the fact that that couldn’t be further from the truth.

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  • Noite_Etion@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You came into this conversation with an argumentative tone, don’t put that on me.

    What are you talking about lol? I was giving the article shit… Did you take that personally, I mean have you been imagining an argument between us this whole time…?

    Also how do I come into a conversation with an argumentive tone when I started this comment chain (there wasn’t even a conversation yet) I just gave my opinion on this article and you are already triggered. If anything you came in with an argumentive tone when you replied to me.

    The article presents data and shares anecdotes that do a good job of personalising that data. Why are you accusing it of inventing problems when its data pretty solidly supports that.

    The headline is that kids can’t swim anymore, that alone is a sensationalist title used to garter clicks, and the use of one women’s experience to justify this title is poor journalism imo.

    If you wanted to criticise the source of the data or the methodology by which the conclusions were drawn from the data, that would be one thing (and we could evaluate the merits of that kind of reasoning in context), but you didn’t…you just claimed they were presenting anecdotes that create fear unsupported by data, despite the fact that that couldn’t be further from the truth.

    I agreed with the data several times, what I disagreed with was the presentation of the data by this article. The RLSS has done good research, and then the Herald took some anecdotal takes and extrapolated it out to “kids cannot swim anymore”. This in my opinion skews the facts as most people don’t read past headlines these days and will take shit at face value.

    You really need to take this down a notch, I am happy to continue this conversation and discuss our opinions, but if you just reply with more accusations I’ll just move on. Please chill.

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    • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I was giving the article shit… Did you take that personally, I mean have you been imagining an argument between us this whole time…?

      It doesn’t really matter to me whether you’re criticising me personally or the article. What matters is the quality of that argument. And it has, so far, been atrocious.

      The headline is that kids can’t swim anymore

      When the data suggests 4 in 5 can’t swim to an appropriate standard, that headline seems appropriate to me. It’s an overwhelming statistic, and as another user pointed out, humanising that by putting a face to it goes a long way to making the news digestible to readers. Your anger at this, and the fight that you have decided to pick with me for suggesting your anger is misplaced, is absurd.

      You really need to take this down a notch, I am happy to continue this conversation and discuss our opinions,

      Oh yes, the guy who responds to being called out for bad behaviour by stalking the person they’ve decided to pick a fight with and downvoting them in entirely unrelated threads, trying to play the “let’s all be civil” card. Give me a break.

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      • Noite_Etion@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oh yes, the guy who responds to being called out for bad behaviour by stalking the person they’ve decided to pick a fight with and downvoting them in entirely unrelated threads

        Wtf are you talking about? You have been imagining an argument with me this whole time… You know karma doesn’t exist on lemmy.

        Go argue with some who actually want to argue with you, im moving on now.

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