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xthexder@l.sw0.com 2 days agoCode signing certificates work a little differently than SSL certificates. A timestamp is included in the signature so the certificate only needs to be valid at the time of signing. The executable will remain valid forever, even if the certificate later expires. (This is how it works on Windows)
InnerScientist@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Doesn’t work, the reason they can expire is to make certificate rotation possible. If an expired ssl certificate is cracked it doesn’t matter because no browser will accept the expired certificate, with your idea the expired certificate just signs an app with the date of 1984 and it works.
Certificates in SSL can’t change the date because that date is signed by a certificate higher in the hierarchy.
xthexder@l.sw0.com 1 day ago
This isn’t “my idea”, this is how the industry already does code signing. You can’t sign something with a date of 1984 because your certificate has a start and end date, and is usually only valid for 1 year.
You can read more about how this works here: …digicert.com/…/rfc3161-compliant-time-stamp-auth…
InnerScientist@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Then you need a Trusted Third Party, right? Still requires some though on how to prevent that third party from blocking applications they don’t like but I can see how a group of trusted authorities could work.
xthexder@l.sw0.com 1 day ago
The trusted 3rd party in this case is actually multiple 3rd parties. There’s several options for trusted timestamping just like there’s multiple trusted root CAs for SSL. Since the timestamping service is free and public, anyone can use it to sign anything, even self-signed certificates. There’s no mechanism to deny access, at least for this portion.
There’s always a risk the root CAs all collude and refuse to give out certificates to people they don’t like, but at least so far this hasn’t been a problem. I don’t have a better solution unfortunately. If we could have a 100% decentralized signing scheme that would be ideal, but I have no idea how you would build such a thing without identity verification and some inherit trust in the system