Comment on What If There’s No AGI?

• JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think first we have to figure out if there is even a difference.

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  • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well of course there is? I mean that’s like not even up for debate?

    Consciousness is that we “experience” the things that happens around us, AGI is a higher intelligence. If AGI “needs” consciousness then we can just simulate it (so no real consciousness).

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    • Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Of course that’s up for debate; we’re not even sure what consciousness really is. That is a whole philosophical debate on it’s own.

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      • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Well that was what I meant, there is absolutely no indications there would be a need for consciousness to create general intelligence. We don’t need to figure out what consciousness is if we already know what general intelligence is and how it works, and we seem to know that fairly well IMO.

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• Perspectivist@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Same argument applies for consciousness as well, but I’m talking about general intelligence now.

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  • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well I’m curious then, because I have never seen or heard or read that general intelligence would be needing some kind of wetware anywhere. Why would it? It’s just computations.

    I do have heard and read about consciousness potentially having that barrier though, but only as a potential problem, and if you want conscious robots ofc.

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    • Perspectivist@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t think it does, but it seems conceivable that it potentially could. Maybe there’s more to intelligence than just information processing - or maybe it’s tied to consciousness itself. I can’t imagine the added ability to have subjective experiences would hurt anyone’s intelligence, at least.

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      • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I don’t think so. The consciousness has very little influence on the mind, we’re mostly in on it for the ride. And general intelligence isn’t that complicated to understand, so why would it be dependent on some substrate? I think the burden if proof lies on you here.

        Very interesting topic though, I hope I’m not sounding condescending here.

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