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Probability is not certainty.

True, but there is an history of cases about it where the probabilty became certainty.

I do not want people in jail for doing something that is probably a crime.

Me eighter but at the same time I would like to prevent some behaviors that could be dangerous to others.
I know it could be a slippery slope but honestly it would not console me to know that the drunken driver where punished *after *he hit me, I would prefer if he would be stopped *before *being able to hit me.

Every so-called crime that has no jail time shouldn’t be a crime. Fees are just another way of enforcing class warfare.

But fines works only if they are proportional to your wealth, else they are a punishment only for the poor.

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HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
We agree on the last part. But my feeling is that if a crime isn’t “bad” enough to require actual jail time then it probably shouldn’t be a crime at all.

Speeding, DUI, and other risky behaviors should be punished if, and ONLY if, an actual incident occurs. Because then there is actually a victim, and not just some nebulous might-have-been.

Hurt someone while drinking and driving? That’s no accident, that’s an intentional attack. Kill someone? Again, not an accident, but premeditated murder.

You punish someone after they’ve hurt another person. Not when they engage in risky behaviors.

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- gian@lemmy.grys.it ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  We agree on the last part. But my feeling is that if a crime isn’t “bad” enough to require actual jail time then it probably shouldn’t be a crime at all.
  
  Define “bad enough”, because this is a very slippery slope. What about thefts ?
  
  Speeding, DUI, and other risky behaviors should be punished if, and ONLY if, an actual incident occurs. Because then there is actually a victim, and not just some nebulous might-have-been.
  
  Following this reasoning, there are no crimes until you get caught and/or there is a victim. To me this is unacceptable in a decent society.
  
  Hurt someone while drinking and driving? That’s no accident, that’s an intentional attack. Kill someone? Again, not an accident, but premeditated murder.
  
  And why we should not to try to avoid to have a person in jail and one killed in the first place ?
  
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  - HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Theft has a victim, what are you talking about???
    
    Without an actual victim there is no crime.
    
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    gian@lemmy.grys.it ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Without an actual victim there is no crime.
    
    And I understand this. What I don’t like is the idea that to try to prevent that there will be victims is bad.
    
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