Unironically this is the one area where Epic Games is absolutely in the right. They have a 12% royalty on games sold on their platform and a 5% royalty on sales over $1 million for games made with Unreal Engine, with the UE royalty being waived entirely if it’s sold on the Epic Games store. They get a reasonable cut for maintaining one of the most powerful game engines and charge nearly a third of what Valve does for their storefront. If the Epic Store wasn’t so dog shit, they’d be an actual competitor to Valve
Comment on Unity has changed its pricing model, and game developers are pissed off
Elderos@lemmings.world 9 months agoYou’re getting downvote, but it is kinda fucked up that we all praise Steam, yet they are, along with other storefronts, taking a 30% revenue cut from every sales. There is a reason gamedevs are strangled for money. Unity’s move is tone deaf, but not only it can never realistically make up 30% of your gross, it only affects developers making over 1M per year.
Not to excuse them, but if we’re to be outraged we should at least consider the whole problem.
Anyway, I am sick of this system where all the money is funnelled by middle-men. It happens virtually everywhere and apparently it is catching up to the digital world too.
Kes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
Elderos@lemmings.world 9 months ago
You’d be crucified in most communities for pointing out something like that though. Brand loyalty and addiction to outrage is rampant with gamers and tech enthusiasts.
chakan2@lemmy.world 9 months ago
it only affects developers making over 1M per year.
No…looks like Unity pricing kicks in on your first install…It increases as your install base increases.
Elderos@lemmings.world 9 months ago
Absolutely not.
You don’t pay a dime until your game sells for 200k per year, at which point your quickly forced to go pro. It is not then until the 1M mark that you owe money. It is right there on the pricing page, did you read it?
chakan2@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yea, the pricing model specifically calls out 1-200k installs.
Elderos@lemmings.world 9 months ago
Installs don’t matter until you make 200k dollars per year, over a million dollars on pro. I
greenskye@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Am I the only one who doesn’t really feel that 30% is that ridiculous of a cut? Typical markups for retail are at least 50%. While steam doesn’t have physical storefronts or retail staff, they do actually provide a lot of value with their software. Now other launchers I think we can argue aren’t earning their 30% cut, but steam provides numerous useful APIs, community forums, mod hosting, built in social and multiplayer features above and beyond the simple distribution and payment processing required by a digital storefront.
My issue with unity’s pricing is that it’s cost a) isn’t tied to how it’s used and b) is unbounded. Let’s take a game like terraria for example. If they had used unity to build it, terraria would now suddenly be on the hook for new charges related to their game. I would at most expect unity to charge for new versions of their software as they were used in development. If my game was completed years ago, why would I continue to owe them money for a completed transaction? Secondly, terraria is the sort of game where users might frequently uninstall and reinstall as new updates come out. I’m now disincentivized to make new updates (especially free updates) that might cause my users to reinstall my game and end up costing me more money.
Elderos@lemmings.world 9 months ago
I am not defending the absolutely awkward pricing model of Unity.
Do you think we should also give them a flat 30% then? 1/3 of your gross is massive, and we could argue Unity is just as important in the execution of your game.
As far as I am concerned the comparison with retail does not hold. Retail runs on thin margins. Steam on the other hand is absolutely massive and afaik is one of the most, if not the most profitable business per employee in the USA. It is absolutely greed.