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masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

It’s a fundamentally wrong understanding that capitalism follows ideals or a viewpoint-independent logic.

I have just explained the viewpoint-independent logic behind capitalism.

You are stating problems with our current system, that is different from the underlying ideals and viewpoint-independent logic that people use to justify and advocate for capitalism.

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squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Oh no, another one of these “there are only anarcho-capitalism and socialism and nothing in between” types.

There is no viewpoint-independent logic behind capitalism because capitalism wasn’t designed. It’s a natural function of trade. As soon as you have the concepts of property and trade, you have capitalism. The ancient babylonians had capitalism, and so did the ancient egyptians.

What we call capitalist theory now is nothing but descriptivism coupled with a bit of putting up anti-caputalist guardrails to make sure capitalism doesn’t completely run amok. And since the 70s, these guardrails have been left to rot or actively dismantled.

Again, if you do nothing, capitalism will emerge. If you continue to do nothing, monopolists will emerge. If you continue to do nothing, these monopolists will take over the government, and you get feudalism.

That’s just the natural, mathematical precession.

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- masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Oh no, another one of these “there are only anarcho-capitalism and socialism and nothing in between” types.
  
  Not at all what I said, I explicitly references the real world system being more complex and nuanced than the model systems that show the basic pros and cons of the systems.
  
  There is no viewpoint-independent logic behind capitalism because capitalism wasn’t designed. It’s a natural function of trade. As soon as you have the concepts of property and trade, you have capitalism. The ancient babylonians had capitalism, and so did the ancient egyptians.
  
  So in your mind only things that are intentionally designed by humans can have viewpoint-independent logic?
  
  There are no naturally arising systems I nature that have viewpoint-independent logic?
  
  Again, if you do nothing, capitalism will emerge. If you continue to do nothing, monopolists will emerge. If you continue to do nothing, these monopolists will take over the government, and you get feudalism.
  
  So you’re arguing that stable trade networks and relationships have never existed and are impossible to exist?
  
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