Comment on Apple Envy
balderdash9@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Reminder that Orwell has an exclusively anti-Stallin grudge and that 1984 barley qualifies as science fiction. Issac Asimov wrote a scathing review in the 80s.
Comment on Apple Envy
balderdash9@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Reminder that Orwell has an exclusively anti-Stallin grudge and that 1984 barley qualifies as science fiction. Issac Asimov wrote a scathing review in the 80s.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Which he picked up from a soviet commisar while fighting fascists in the 30s in spain. Known for his talent with grenades. Suffered sone pretty severe injuries.
Okay so i don’t know everything abput the man but did you read his account of being a colonialist shitbag ‘on the occasion of the killing of an elephant’? It’s not a fucking endorsement.
Sure, yeah, psychology and sociology don’t count. Le’guinn never wrote a scifi novel.
It’s the lasers and rocket ships that make the stories good, not the new relations and forms of person and society rgat they enable stories of. Obviously.
So do you hate women and think rape is fine and asimov was just a cool guy, or are you the dumb kind of tankie who never learned to think for yourself and just repeats shit to sound smart without knowing what any of it means?
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Even on a literary level, asimov had some great ideas and concepts, but the actual writing isn’t particularly gripping stuff.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Even the ideas were nothing too special. His writing was fine, but yeah, not really more than ‘fine’
And he was, to put it mildly: extremely shitty to women, whom he did not consider to be people, to a degree that stood out even in the like 1950s.
Might’ve also done some huac snitching? But definitly check that, low confidence.
balderdash9@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I don’t know why people write these emotionally charged comments that are dripping with sarcasm. Your entire comment is a series of strawman misrepresentations that you’ve erected to unceremoniously “dunk” on the opposition instead of actually arguing with any nuance. You give one piece of evidence in your favor and conclude that you’ve had the final say on the matter. This sort of discourse boils down to “You’re an idiot!” … “No, YOU are!!”
My point is that Orwell is more anti-Stallin than pro-leftist. People on the left think many be tempted to interpret Orwell as arguing against right-wing fascism. But he is arguably arguing that left-wing politics is fascistic. This explains why our governments are so quick to hail 1984 as some literary achievement. In reality, the novel slows to a crawl in the middle and is not inventive at all; especially when compared to the great works of science fiction such as The Time Machine, The Dispossessed, Roadside Picnic, Necromancer, etc. (Manual surveillance of millions of people through their TVs? Seriously? 1984 is not fit to be compared with any of Ursula Le Guin’s works. As a fan of the genre, I question whether you actually read science fiction at all.)
By the tone of your comment I can see that you’re pretty entrenched in your position and don’t care about Orwell’s character or motivations. Everyone else can make up their own minds:
redsails.org/on-orwell/ redsails.org/asimov-on-1984/
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I want to take this apart piece by piece because i think every singke thing you say here is wrong, but reading this i get the impression you haven’t read a single fucking one of the things you’re talking about, including my comment.
Still skipping the asimov thing too, while you retreat into ‘rationality bro’ and defer to someone else.
You’re not correct, but you’re not even wrong; you’re just parroting.
sukhmel@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
I’ve read one of their links, and although it shows Orwell to be an asshole, racist, bigot, and anti-Stalin; it still doesn’t make sense as a ground for other statements, especially him being imperialist.
I would think that the whole thing comes from conflating communism and whatever the Soviets were doing, and if anyone thinks that USSR was not the heaven on earth, they are damned