Comment on Linux Foundation says yes to NoSQL via DocumentDB

Daerun@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• h54@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  DocumentDB is a NoSQL-ish database implementation built on PostgreSQL that has been accepted by the Linux Foundation. It was created by Microsoft (under MIT license) in response to MongoDB’s more restrictive licensing.

  Time will tell what adoption is like or if Mongo will change it’s licensing to be more permissive.

  source

  • MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If MongoDB changes its license back to AGPL it will be another comedy like Redis

    source

    • h54@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I agree, the damage is done.

      source

      • MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The best option I see for MongoDB is for In-Q-Tel (CIA) or the government to acquire the company.

        source

        • -> View More Comments
• Botzo@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Mongo DB popularized the “document DB” model which is just storing JSON in a database and offering a way to interact with it roughly like you would data in a traditional relational DB.

  7ish years ago, they got fed up with the major cloud providers offering their free software as a service and changed their license to one that is more restrictive.

  Of course this is sort of the inevitable outcome: a cloud provider builds a competing product and then “open sources” it in a way that will allow them to grab mind share and eventually erode the company that dared to demand compensation for a “free” product.

  Microsoft added a middle finger by announcing it just before mongo released quarterly financials too.

  source
• addie@feddit.uk ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The ‘traditional’ way of storing a database is on a mainframe or supercomputer, where all the information is stored in tables with the information all uniquely stored, frequently containing id references to other tables. For instance, an ‘orders’ table would have a customer id in it, and the ‘customer’ table would have their name and address. The programming language for databases like that is SQL - PostGres and Oracle are examples. That model gives you a lot of advantages - the data is always consistent, changes are either made completely or not at all - but every query has to go through one machine, so performance can suck, and you waste a lot of time ‘joining’ tables together for certain kinds of query.

  If you’re storing eg. a blog with comments on it, that model doesn’t make sense. Each page has a varied selection of comments, comment will have a username and maybe their icon, which will rarely change, but will need to be evaluated by the database every time. It would make more sense to output the pre-rendered page as a JSON blob, and you could have a hundred machines with a few pages each to share the load. Updating people’s icons and adding new comments would need to be done by telling each machine to make a certain update if they’ve a copy of that page; you’d ‘eventually’ be consistent, but if you don’t care about that then you get a very scalable robust solution quite cheaply. Examples of such ‘NoSQL’ databases are MongoDB, Hadoop and DocumentDB.

  Linux foundation have looked at DocumentDB’s license and said ‘yes, free enough for us’, so they’ll adopt it.

  source

  • doeknius_gloek@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    tl;dr: MongoDB is Web Scale.

    source

    • RiQuY@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thank you for this, amazing video.

      source
• unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Microsoft made some database software called DocumentDB (which utilizes a kind of database called NoSQL) that the Linux Foundation is now accepting into their list of projects they support. This was done because, unlike others like MongoDB, this one called DocumentDB was released under a license that people can use without certain restrictions that MongoDB put inside their license.

  The core issue is that big tech companies regularly take software developed by open source devs and then use it for their big money machines without giving anything back to the original developers. MongoDB was fed up with this and started using a license that forces companies to publicize the code of the projects they use MongoDB for. Big Tech doesnt like that, because they really like money and not sharing how they make that money.

  “Today, the market has spoken,” Farkas wrote on Tuesday. “The Linux Foundation has announced the adoption of the DocumentDB project to create an open standard with MongoDB compatibility, the exact thing we were sued for earlier this year.”

  So now they have a software suite that people can use to replace their MongoDB systems.

  source

  • MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But MongoDB had an AGPL license. Why did they decide to change to a more restrictive one?

    source

    • ncrav@lemmings.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      MongoDB was never about open source but about making money. 10+ years ago they were trying to market their JSON store as capable of anything when it could not even handle objects larger than 64 MB: yeah I know you use collections not nesting but have you tried to aggregate complex data without working around that limit?

      The fact that it still exists when there are alternatives that are faster and more efficient amazes me.

      source
    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      According to the company: mongodb.com/…/mongodb-issues-new-server-side-publ…

      Unfortunately, once an open source project becomes interesting, it is too easy for cloud vendors who have not developed the software to capture all of the value while contributing little back to the community

      They are totally morally correct imo, but reality simply doesnt work like that.

      “We have invested approximately $300M in R&D over the past decade to offer a modern, general purpose, open source database for everyone. With the added protection of the SSPL, we can continue to invest in R&D and further drive innovation and value for the community.”

      They also just spent a bit too much money on a single project from what it look like.

      source