Comment on 4chan refuses to pay UK Online Safety Act fines, asks Trump admin to intervene

chunes@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• stoly@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  If you offer a service in a country you are subject to their laws.

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  • deathbird@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’m not sure I like the idea that you’re “offering a service” in a country simply by being a data service that can accessed from it.

    Someone from Australia can call me and we can chat. It doesn’t mean I or my phone carrier are offering a service in Australia.

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    • x00z@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You’re right, but that also means your service can get blocked in said country. And that’s what they don’t want, so they’re trying to fight it from home.

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    • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Whoever is providing the communications infrastructure to the Australian caller would be offering a service in Australia (5g masts, fibre, customer service etc.)

      Only if the call is going via satellite owned by non-Australians could you avoid this.

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  • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    My website is my website. You visit my website, my website does not visit you.

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    • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Imagine contacting a brick and mortar store in another country and threatening sanctions because they don’t check the passport of visitors so they’re “offering services” to another country. That’s sort of what’s happening.

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  • CoffeeTails@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What does that mean? Arent most sites available everywhere by default?

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    • stoly@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      No, you can definitely block entire countries.

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      • CoffeeTails@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        oh. So if I publish a website I’m responsible for following other countries/areas laws?

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  • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I guess this is what it comes down to…

    1. Do you view allowing any arbitrary IP address to access your site as “offering service” to all countries? Or,
    2. Do you view having a website as just putting something into cyberspace and it’s the responsibility of countries to control access to it if they don’t want their citizens going there.

    Personally, I’m a firm believer that IP addresses aren’t people and that an IP address range doesn’t mean the end user is from that country, so I lean towards point 2.

    …buuuuuut I also really don’t like the idea that countries control access to things like that. I’m sort of in a “wish I could have it both ways” thing. Because the more sites that are adamant about taking view number 2 the more countries will be encouraged to censor. And let’s be honest, this is all about control, there are sensible ways to protect children like creating standardized self labels for parental controls to reject and find on those instead, so… It’s hard.

    I hate this.

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    • stoly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I felt this way back in the late 90s when states started requiring sales tax for online transactions. It felt stupid to me that a transaction that occurs in some other state should have to include taxes for the place where you live.

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  • FriendBesto@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The internet is open. It is not up to a site to block a country just because. Which is what happened here, and this why their law is dumb and over reaching.

    The argument is more like:

    “UK citizens, via the open internet could see your site, and we have now decided that we do not like it. We are not going to complain via diplomacy or via your country’s existing Laws or policing agencies, as such, you must pay us £20,000 in fines, per day, for exisitng because we say so. Despite you having no interests, employees or infrastructure, at all, in our country.”

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