A preachy and moralizing one where we protect the feelings of fascists from being hurt, where preserving “dignity” is more important than fighting back against the people literally killing us, one where legal adults are to be given leniency on their crimes (which again, include enabling countless deaths) due to their youth and status?
Yeah, I think I’m gonna give that society a pass. But feel free to go found the promised nation of Apologia-Land, I’m not about to be so crass as to force my own morality on you. You seem unpleasant enough I wouldn’t take a baton round for you (go learn about how your really vague concept of “dignity” works in the real world) but man, I’m not above pointing out what a bootlickin’ line of thinking you’ve go going on here. War is hell, dude, even culture ones. War reporting is the only way to actually confront people with that reality.
Nobody in this here thread thinks that it’s good we got to this point, but this kind of thing is what’s required to start getting us the hell out of here. It’s deeply, deeply depressing your head is so far up your own morals that you can’t even consider your position.
I know negative reactions make us entrench, but come on. How much of a stretch would it be, say, to push the narrative that you’re just a fascist that’s worried their clapped picture is gonna show up on here, being celebrated? I don’t think that’s what’s happening, but it sure isn’t a hard line to sell given how beautifully your zealously unyielding defense of the fascists lines up with fascists defending themselves.
I’ll understand your point. And to make it clear, again, fascism needs!! to be stopped.
But is not about “should we fight” but more “how should we fight?”
Because if you (imho) break some basic rules, you wont be a fighter against facism but just another arsehole, just with good intentions.
So:
If violence against other people is necessary to fight fascism, why is it needed to humilate the beaten up enemy? Personal needs, like the feeling of revenge, might, superiority? Terrorizing other enemies?
Just so long as it’s stopped on your terms, though, right?
I keep listing off the reasons for content like this, and you keep projecting your own perceptions onto how other people are reacting to it. Presenting it as “humiliating the beaten up enemy” is dishonest. “Publicizing that allegiance to fascist ideals isn’t tolerated” is an accurate summary of what’s happening here. Sure there’s an undeniable aspect of dunking on the smug little shithead, seeing him like this fills me with a primal pleasure (and I’m just sad those girls didn’t have a knife), but you’re presenting that the ideal world is one where where publicizing the defeat of actual fascists is a uniformly unjustifiable. It’s liberal evangelism, with a less cringy name - you just pushing your idea on what the “correct” way to behave is on everyone else and refusing to acknowledge that everyone else has just as much right to their opinion as you do. That’s why we have to punch fascists, actually! Because if we just accept their right to hold their (monstrous) opinions, those opinions will never die. It’s the classic paradox of tolerance,
Actionschnils@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Depends on the society you want to live in.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
A preachy and moralizing one where we protect the feelings of fascists from being hurt, where preserving “dignity” is more important than fighting back against the people literally killing us, one where legal adults are to be given leniency on their crimes (which again, include enabling countless deaths) due to their youth and status?
Yeah, I think I’m gonna give that society a pass. But feel free to go found the promised nation of Apologia-Land, I’m not about to be so crass as to force my own morality on you. You seem unpleasant enough I wouldn’t take a baton round for you (go learn about how your really vague concept of “dignity” works in the real world) but man, I’m not above pointing out what a bootlickin’ line of thinking you’ve go going on here. War is hell, dude, even culture ones. War reporting is the only way to actually confront people with that reality.
Nobody in this here thread thinks that it’s good we got to this point, but this kind of thing is what’s required to start getting us the hell out of here. It’s deeply, deeply depressing your head is so far up your own morals that you can’t even consider your position.
I know negative reactions make us entrench, but come on. How much of a stretch would it be, say, to push the narrative that you’re just a fascist that’s worried their clapped picture is gonna show up on here, being celebrated? I don’t think that’s what’s happening, but it sure isn’t a hard line to sell given how beautifully your zealously unyielding defense of the fascists lines up with fascists defending themselves.
Actionschnils@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
I’ll understand your point. And to make it clear, again, fascism needs!! to be stopped. But is not about “should we fight” but more “how should we fight?” Because if you (imho) break some basic rules, you wont be a fighter against facism but just another arsehole, just with good intentions. So: If violence against other people is necessary to fight fascism, why is it needed to humilate the beaten up enemy? Personal needs, like the feeling of revenge, might, superiority? Terrorizing other enemies?
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Just so long as it’s stopped on your terms, though, right?
I keep listing off the reasons for content like this, and you keep projecting your own perceptions onto how other people are reacting to it. Presenting it as “humiliating the beaten up enemy” is dishonest. “Publicizing that allegiance to fascist ideals isn’t tolerated” is an accurate summary of what’s happening here. Sure there’s an undeniable aspect of dunking on the smug little shithead, seeing him like this fills me with a primal pleasure (and I’m just sad those girls didn’t have a knife), but you’re presenting that the ideal world is one where where publicizing the defeat of actual fascists is a uniformly unjustifiable. It’s liberal evangelism, with a less cringy name - you just pushing your idea on what the “correct” way to behave is on everyone else and refusing to acknowledge that everyone else has just as much right to their opinion as you do. That’s why we have to punch fascists, actually! Because if we just accept their right to hold their (monstrous) opinions, those opinions will never die. It’s the classic paradox of tolerance,