The only part that is wrong TMK is the “indivisible” one; and perhaps the last item because I recall that PulseAudio and Wayland were pushed this way worse than systemd was.
It’s not about the list of things wrong with (in this case) systemd. I don’t like systemd’s approach either, and I think poettering is a pompous ass. But we’re here now.
The great thing about Linux is that when someone comes around and wants xfce with i3 instead of xfwm, they can have that. Most of us might think it’s a stupid idea, but if they want it, they can do it.
So when it came to systemd, no one ran up and said “I don’t like this”, they just didn’t use it, mostly cause it was half-baked. And hey, if some guy wants to build an all-systemd box, go for it.
The crime of systemd is forcing most of us to use it by shipping it by default with Ubuntu, then Debian, then red hat, etc. I see menus in the debian install that ask what DE to use, whether SSH should be installed, etc, but no sysV/OpenRC/systemd menu choice.
The problem isn’t “what’s wrong with systemd”, it’s “why are you removing my choice to pick”. That’s why this list misses the point.
lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 9 hours ago
The only part that is wrong TMK is the “indivisible” one; and perhaps the last item because I recall that PulseAudio and Wayland were pushed this way worse than systemd was.
non_burglar@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
It’s not about the list of things wrong with (in this case) systemd. I don’t like systemd’s approach either, and I think poettering is a pompous ass. But we’re here now.
The great thing about Linux is that when someone comes around and wants xfce with i3 instead of xfwm, they can have that. Most of us might think it’s a stupid idea, but if they want it, they can do it.
So when it came to systemd, no one ran up and said “I don’t like this”, they just didn’t use it, mostly cause it was half-baked. And hey, if some guy wants to build an all-systemd box, go for it.
The crime of systemd is forcing most of us to use it by shipping it by default with Ubuntu, then Debian, then red hat, etc. I see menus in the debian install that ask what DE to use, whether SSH should be installed, etc, but no sysV/OpenRC/systemd menu choice.
The problem isn’t “what’s wrong with systemd”, it’s “why are you removing my choice to pick”. That’s why this list misses the point.