Mohammed had several wives, one of which was six…
Wouldn’t the Christian roots be better?
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ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Man, Spain really needs to get closer to its Muslim roots, lol. Wtf. Let’s just hope it’s not as bad as this article implies.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 5 days ago
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 5 days ago
The problem is the people worshipping, polytheistic nature of Christianity, which goes entirely against the message of Jesus, but the Romans used him the same way Amazon sells Che Guevara t-shirts, I guess. Add to that the Paulian “faith without works”, the addition of purgatory and priests “absolving you of your sins” (so fuck around, you’ll never find out! And Jesus “died for your sins” either way, whatever that means) and it’s easy to see why Christianity can never work. Jewish Christians, like it was before Rome fucked the message of the J-man, sure, but not what we’ve had for most of the last two millennia. Christianity today is basically a religion for those who don’t want to follow God’s rules and deny divine judgement… thankfully, things are not so black and white and we were created with a kind nature so, despite everything the West has done with this West Asian man and his legacy, some goodness still seeps through sometimes and motivates people to strive to be better.
And btw, “good” Christianity (that practiced by Jesus and his followers and anyone who internalises the Sermon of the Mount, for instance) is just Jewish Scripture +1, and Islam (without nonsensical, heretical hadiths and superficial a-Quranic traditions) is good Christianity +1. If you read, you’ll understand. 👍
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 5 days ago
The problem is the people worshipping, polytheistic nature of Christianity
Christianity isn’t polytheistic
the addition of purgatory
That’s not Christian doctrine
so fuck around, you’ll never find out! And Jesus “died for your sins” either way, whatever that means
This is because the Christian God is infinitely merciful
and Islam (without nonsensical, heretical hadiths and superficial a-Quranic traditions) is good Christianity +1. If you read, you’ll understand. 👍
I read the first two surahs of the Qur’an in full and some smaller segments here and there. To me, it really comes off as “this is a companion book to the bible”
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I mean, it is polytheistic, but let’s just agree to disagree on that one. And mercy requires justice, and justice implies judgment. God is Merciful and Just, of course! Jesus preached that one had to repent and correct their behaviour to be accepted by God, you can’t just be an unrepentant sinner, a troublemaker, a violent rapey murderous racist or even just a heartless rich man (camels and needles!), and expect God to condone it! How do you judge, my guy?
A wise man doesn’t need much to understand what’s right and wrong and, honestly, anyone could just read and internalise the Sermon on the Mount and be in good terms with the Creator as it transforms you, but you can’t say that about the whole Bible, which is very internally inconsistent (because it’s a collection of books and letters with different authors, written and edited by power-hungry and immoral men at times). And if you’re clever, you could do that just with Ecclesiastes, but Jesus’ message is more… approachable. 👍
voracitude@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Mohammed married a 9 year-old child; whatever other benefits you envision, I don’t think that religion is a model of the solution here.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Regardless of the veracity of that statement, follow the message, not the person. You read the Qur’an and tell me what you disagree with!
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 5 days ago
That bit about banning pork and alcohol is fucking bullshit.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Eh, not really. Trichinosis is very much real and, before people could reliably check the temperature of the meat being cooked, “a pork chop could kill you!” (Chris Rock in some early 00s special, lol). Today, it’s mostly a sign of belonging, and proof you can restrain yourself at least a little from all and every pleasure. And I stand by an alcohol prohibition, or at least being wary of its consumption. I’ve never met a single person who wouldn’t be an overall better human being if they simply stopped drinking/relying on it to handle situations, emotions and thoughts instead of approaching them soberly. You can tell me you enjoy booze (ofc!), but you can’t tell me in earnest it’s eudaimonically ‘good for you’.
voracitude@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I don’t typically waste my time with fairy stories, but sure, I’ll give you some highlights:
“This is what Allah says… ‘Now go and strike the Infidel and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.” Surah 27:63
If I have to do violence, I prefer to not as soon as possible. I do not do violence to children. And why would you kill the animals? At least with surviving family you could make the argument they’ll come for revenge. This is just bad advice, period.
“Happy is he who repays the infidel for what they have done to us – he who seizes their infants and dashes them against the rocks.” – Surah 34:12
Again with the child-killing. This is supposed to make you happy, is it?
“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” – Surah 135:27
Yeah… I don’t think I need to say why I disagree with this. It’s just disgusting.
“A Wife, must submit to her husband as to Allah.” – Surah 5:22
My wife is my equal. I live my life to lift her up. The idea that she should subjugate herself to me is repulsive and the exact opposite of how I want to live my life with her.
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.” – Surah 21: 7-8
Slavery and misogyny in one.
Maybe it’s time to retire that catchphrase, bud.
svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
Worth pointing out that these quotes are all biblical, also.
1 Samuel 15:3
Psalm 137:8-9
Judges 19:25-29
Ephesians 5:22-24
Exodus 21:7-8
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 5 days ago
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What exactly are you reading?! And there’s no Surah 135! Are you being a conscious troublemaker or are you just misinformed?