Comment on Finland | Minister: "Burkas and niqabs are not suitable for school"

• dastanktal@hexbear.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  “grant me my racist stereotype, or I’m not talking to you”

  Interesting strategy, cotton, let’s see how that plays out.

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  • Perspectivist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    In Iran, women are required by law to wear the hijab. In Afghanistan, they’re required by the Taliban to wear a burka or at least a niqab. In Sudan, hijab was mandatory for women until 2019, and the same applies in Saudi Arabia and the Aceh province of Indonesia. But sure - go ahead and call me racist for even daring to suggest they’re doing it for any reason other than their own free choice.

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    • dastanktal@hexbear.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Ah I hope you can forgive my ignorance. I thought we were talking about a proposed law that directly discriminates against Islam in Finland.

      Not theocratic countries that had there politics “reset” by the west multiple times.

      It is interesting that I was talking about how Muslims should have the freedom of religion in places like Finland and then you immediately pivot to how oppressive countries, which you also note have loosened the restrictions for the last 7 years, have laws about religious garb. In a theocracy. That isn’t democratic.

      Good similie. Definitely pokes a ton of holes in the “this minister is xenophobic and Islamophobic for trying to introduce this law” and isn’t a red herring fallacy.

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      • Perspectivist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Strawmanning, motte-and-bailey, whataboutism, moving the goalposts, ad hominem, false equivalence and dismissive sarcasm.

        Was there a sale at the bad faith argumentation tactics store?

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• rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  then we’re so far apart on this that there’s nothing to discuss You’re wrong and you’re projecting, You can’t imagine wanting to do it, so you’re sure it can’t be that way.

  “While the niqab is a commendable act in Islam, it is not obligatory for Muslim women. The majority of scholars agree that covering the face and hands is not required, as supported by Quranic verses and Hadiths. A Muslim woman fulfills her religious obligations by adhering to the conditions of the hijab, making the niqab a matter of personal choice rather than a strict religious duty.”

  Sure, many are in families that push them to do it, but in the end it’s not like they’re not allowed not to by the religion.

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  • Perspectivist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Sure, many are in families that push them to do it, but in the end it’s not like they’re not allowed not to by the religion

    I never claimed otherwise. It’s the lived experience that matters, not the literal interpretation of the original text.

    As I said elsewhere in the thread: The Quran and hadiths, while not always explicit, make multiple references to how women should dress. Different countries and religious sects interpret these rules differently, but it all boils down to the same thing: in these cultures, there are consequences for women who don’t follow the tradition.

    My issue isn’t with covering your face or hair — it’s when the person isn’t truly free to choose. And I’d argue that, especially when it comes to the burka or niqab, that’s the case for a genuinely high percentage.

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