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• PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So what they've done in Ukraine is completely unjustified? In your opinion?

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  • Perspectivist@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In my opinion? Well obviously yeah. That just doesn’t have anything to do with the topic at hand.

    Russia has attacked my country in the past as well, and I have zero sympathy for their cause. But that doesn’t stop me from imagining the situation from their perspective. “Just ending the invasion” isn’t a survivable option if you’re Putin. No matter how unjust it’s been, the only imaginable way out is to somehow let him “save face" what ever that means in this situation.

    Build your enemy a golden bridge to retreat across.

    • Sun Tzu

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    • PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No matter how unjust it’s been, the only imaginable way out is to somehow let him “save face" what ever that means in this situation.

      It is literally a cliche of geopolitics for the mighty empire to continue the senseless and horrific war against some small country that's effectively defending itself, year after year, because of this logic. But then in the end to reluctantly agree to the "unimaginable" way out (saving face with some kind of explanation that literally no one believes), because at the end of the day, the simple physics of the situation will allow nothing else.

      I more or less agree with you about Putin's logic and mindset actually. My overall point is there is more than one country and leader in the world that can be stubborn. The defenders are often more stubborn, at the end of the day, it turns out (to the shock and confusion of the attackers who thought they had a monopoly.)

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