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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 days agoYes, building the detention center is absolutely terrible. I hate everything about the recent changes WRT immigration, and I probably don’t even know the half of it.
We’re a nation of immigrants, and we should absolutely be encouraging more legal immigration. In fact, my personal opinion is that we should make a new type of temporary “work seeking” visa where you’re given some time (say, 1 month) to find a job, and if you get a job, it automatically turns into a work authorization visa, with the stipulation that the employer must report when that job ends, at which point you have another month to find a new job before you have to leave. IMO, this completely solves the migrant worker issue, without needing to mess w/ quotes for longer-term visas. Those employers would also receive closer scrutiny to catch any illegal activity (i.e. shell companies employing cartels).
However, associating it w/ the Holocaust is disgusting and again smacks of tribalism. Yes it’s a terrible facility, but AFAIK there’s zero overlap w/ what the Nazis did. Since it’s on US soil, they do have to follow US law in how they treat people, unlike Gitmo.
nazis… we can beat them into submission
If you actually think Republicans have much overlap w/ Nazis, then you’re delusional. It’s just like Republicans claiming Democrats are Marxists. The name calling isn’t productive and just cheapens what each of those terms mean.
Yes, some people in the Republican camp court fascist policies, but by and large, they are not fascist. Call them out on actual policy issues and convince people to vote them out w/ logic, don’t just lean into rhetoric.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
You think that caging brown people “for no reason” is a disgusting comparison to the Holocaust?
This is unreal. I didn’t see this conversation coming at all. You’re actually doing nazi apologia. You’re refusing to acknowledge the pressure building in your pipes only because the pipes haven’t burst yet. How many brown people do you want to die before you’re willing to concede this? Do we need to wait until the full 6 million?
No. They don’t.
Call them out for being evil. Their policies are evil.*
If the majority of Republicans are not evil, as you say, then they should have no problem dropping the line. They can form a new party, and the current one can be dropped into a wastebin in hell.*
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
How many have or are likely to die due to this? That would obviously depend on the duration of detention, and I honestly don’t know much about that, but these people should have the right of due process since they’re on US soil (5th and 14th amendments). So they can’t just be incarcerated indefinitely (habeas corpus), they’d have to be tried or released in a timely fashion.
The Holocaust differs in so many ways:
It’s not remotely the same thing, and comparing them is ridiculous rhetoric. Comparing everything the right does to Nazism and the Holocaust is intellectually dishonest, meant to convince someone to your side through emotional language instead of facts.
If there are deaths, they’re going to be incidental to incarceration, as in people already in poor health dying due to added stress of incarceration or something, and not something directly done by the guards.
And unfortunately, that’s something that’s going to have to be worked out in the courts. According to US law, they must be subject to audit to ensure Constitutional Law is being followed.
True, but I’m not sure what this has to do w/ anything.
If that’s accurate (I haven’t reviewed it), then that provision will likely be struck down by a court. You can’t just hamstring the branch of the government that decides whether law is constitutional and expect them to just roll over, even the conservative Supreme Court would very likely strike this down.
And they have been. Look at Trump’s approval rating. I live in a very red state, and he has a net negative approval rating here, which is absolutely bonkers. This will have an impact on the next couple elections, but it’s hard to tell what the actual results will be. But if Trump keeps pissing off his base, it could get very spicy indeed.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
Wow.
You know, it’s no wonder you live in a red state; you’re still bought into the republican propoganda. I believe you that the “immigrants” rounded up into unmarked ICE vans will be tried fairly, and only the vile criminals among them will be deported to an El Salvador slave camp.
Deporting people en masse is genocide.
The conservative justices are loyal to the Republican party. The Republican party does not want to be held accountable. What on earth gives you the idea they’ll want to strike this down?
His approval rating is only down among Republicans because his tariffs have been hurting them and not the brown people they voted to kill.
They thought the white ethnostate Trump would usher in would make them lions among sheep, and they are only upset that they are among the sheep.
—Not to mention, listen to any on-the-streets interviews with republican voters about their disapproval, fucking all of them say they’d vote for him again.
Absolutely beside myself at your cavalier attitude. I do hope your state gets everything it voted for.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
That’s the absolutely horrendous part, and you should be criticizing those camps. This detention center isn’t that.
That’s not true. This is what genocide means:
Deportation is the national version of trespassing someone from a property. It’s not murder.
They’re really not. Their interests do often align, but that’s not because they’re taking orders from the GOP. If the GOP was actually able to tell them what to do, they’d side w/ Trump way more often.
That’s not what they did.
They largely voted for protectionism (save our jobs/businesses/etc), and now they’re feeling the results of that.
Only a small subset of Republicans are actually racist. I’m sure the same is true among Democrats as well.
Why? Because I refuse to jump on the Republican hate bandwagon? I’m not going to stoop to dangerous rhetoric to try to scare/shame people to my viewpoint.
I strongly disagree with Republicans on policy, but more importantly I see the two party system as the real problem here. Shilling one side over another just perpetuates that system and merely swings the pendulum the other way.
So no, I’m not going to buy into that nonsense. And my state is doing quite well, despite the best efforts of our legislature.