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YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

I get that men are terrified about false rape accusations, even though there is an extremely low chance of it happening, they are afraid. When someone talks about sexual assault, in their mind they feel they need to defend themselves by bringing up false accusations because in their mind it will discourage this crime, bring light to real victims, and thus protect themselves. I’m not a man but this is what I’ve been told. Then you have victims, who simply want their rapist and other rapists to face justice. They often know others around them who have also been sexually assaulted. When they talk about sexual assault and someone else brings up false accusations, it feels like they don’t actually care about the victims and just want to soapbox about false accusations, stealing the spotlight. They might even be a toxic part of the manosphere.

The nature of the crime means it is usually the victim and the perpetrator alone and not in public, and the victim is more likely to know who the assaulter is. It can be a family member, friend, partner, etc. There usually isn’t much evidence to prove sexual assault. So we have a problem. As you said, you don’t believe a hefty amount of these sexual assaults should have laws enforced on them. I don’t have a solution, other than a suggestion that people should be more empathetic towards victims. And not ask questions like yours to victims.

questions like these are unproductive

1. How many rapists are you ok with letting go free so that you or someone you know doesn’t have to go to prison for something they didn’t do? 1,000? 10,000? Every single rapist? Is it better to let every single criminal go free so that you do not have to go to prison? 2. Do you think rape/sexual assault don’t happen?

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Amir@lemmy.ml ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Is it better to let every single criminal go free so that you do not have to go to prison?

While that is a wild example that will never happen, I’m not a martyr nor planning/wanting to be one, so likely yes, I’d sacrifice a whole lot to protect my own life and willing to bet many others would too if they had to make that choice.

For most, there’s no point in making the world a better place by sacrificing your own life, because you won’t be around to see it. Yes, something about planting a tree whose shade you’ll never sit in…

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GaMEChld@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Uh yeah, I’m not going to go to jail over dishonesty. I’m not going to play martyr for some unknown mass of strangers that doesn’t care about me. And you talk about SA and those victims but prison is also a terrible fate unto itself that your argument entirely ignores. It’s like flippant to send someone to prison for years. Imagine if people were that dismissive about SA. Like prison conditions aren’t arguably worse being a risk if consistent SA and who knows how much other horrors.

Should I now counter argue that you bringing up SA without acknowledging the horrors of prison is dismissive of men’s issues because of a for profit prison industrial complex?

Everything affects everything. You bring up something, someone is always going to bring up another side. That’s how discourse works.

But yeah, at the end of the day, my answer is ya, I won’t punish the innocent in order to punish the guilty as a general rule. It may not be utilitarian, but that’s what my gut says is moral.

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