A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Believing women dosnt mean just acting blindly on a womans word and nothing more.
Believing women means intiating proper procedures, starting investigations, and gathering the facts and evidence, impartially and without prejudice.
So yes, We need the epstein files, even if we believe women, because they are evidence that, in all likelyhood, supports their claims.
Convicting based upon words sworn under oath and with no facts to back it up but feelings and outage has lead to a lot of overturned verdicts and innocent lives ruined.
I don’t think anyone here believes to take a woman(or any victim) on word alone. But on that same vein we can’t just decide we believe a rapist on their word alone that they didn’t do it either.
Inconclusive isn’t the same as false accusation.
Especially if there’s evidence being withheld.
The files should have been handled a decade ago with protecting victims.
remember who was in power at the time of Epstein arrest and death.
Believing women means intiating proper procedures, starting investigations, and gathering the facts and evidence, impartially and without prejudice.
The average person isn’t smart enough to understand this, and if told to “just believe women”, will harass false accusation victims.
The only effective solution to the issue of believing survivors is to teach the general public critical thinking and evidence evaluation skills.
CodingCarpenter@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
This can still ruin someone’s life though. As soon as there are whispers of an accusation that are official it’s over. There needs to be a better way.
Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
What way is better than investigating allegations impartially? Do you know of something better that wouldn’t require someone to be psychic, or require everyone coming to some nigh impossible position where no one lies?
Cataphract@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
I agree with your first sentence but then you went off on a mocking-tangent instead of promoting an actual conversation that’s important. We see investigations used both politically and socially (perp-walks are one way law enforcement berates during an investigation, also giving press releases/public announcements before all the facts are collected). There are ways which police act respectfully during an investigation when it’s someone they like, a more neutral way for EVERYONE can be achieved.
Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
That is a whole different issue than what was said by the previous person, who said the idea behind believe women is for authority figures to take their allegations seriously and do their jobs properly, and investigate the claims. It was not mocking as, in the context of what the previous poster said, and not the expanded issues of the system beyond the scope of this, it would take something like psychic knowledge, or some impractical expectation of humanity.
Smoogs@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Being raped also ruins a person’s life.
The victims names on that list matter too.