Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
Um… I’m a girl, and I totally believe these women were assaulted because we’re talking about rich assholes who literally feel like they can do anything.
But you have to present evidence no matter what. That’s literally how the court works. If all we have is he-said-she-said, then there’s not much we can do to reach a verdict. There have been regular people who have been incorrectly deemed assaulters/rapists due to lack of evidence. We have seen women who lie about this. You NEED to have proof, to ensure that it’s an undeniable fact that the accused is officially recognized as a shit person.
This is an unrealistic ideal, I’m gonna be real. I want these women to win and be acknowledged. I want all who interacted with Epstein to rot in prison and hell. But we need evidence. That’s just the truth.
Fuck the courts?
I agree not hurting people without evidence, but there’s plenty in public domain in this case. Like, i dont know exactly where the line on calling someone a nazi is, but when hellboy, indiana jones, and georgei zukov all have you at the top of their personal shit-list and you’ve got a sonnenrad tattoo that covers your entire back, and you cannot order breakfast without shouting “BLOOD AND SOIL”, It’s pretty obviously over that line.
This is kinda that, but for pedophilia.
Trump isn’t really relevant to the issue of “just believing women”, because there’s way more evidence that Trump is a rapist than just what his victims said. So I don’t see why you can justify changing the subject back to Trump.
regular people who have been incorrectly deemed assaulters/rapists due to lack of evidence.
And rapists have raped and lied about raping.
Inconclusive is not the same as false accusation. That is an important distinction here.
Just cuz an alleged says no he didn’t: That does not automatically mean he’s innocent. It’s just inconclusive without evidence.
rapists lie about raping. And guilty rapists will most definitely lie about raping. This case if any shows us this.
Taking people at their word is flawed on both either side of the account. You can’t have one without acknowledging the other is capable of lying too. You can’t flock to one without also holding the same question to the other. The fact you were ready to call a woman a liar without evidence and believe a man without evidence shows there’s a bias.
and idgaf about what gender you are ‘as a’ you can be sexist against women while being a woman. That’s called being internally misogynistic. It isn’t new. But also men pretend to post as women just to take a strip out of women. That also isn’t new. And that’s just plain misogyny.
Misogyny is still misogyny. you are so quick to call a woman a liar here without considering the person she’s accusing might also be a liar.
I don’t care who or what or where you are : That’s misogyny.
I think you forgot that gay women exist. I really hate how many people assume the issue of sexual abuse allegations is about men vs women. That’s such a homophobic bias. There are women who falsely accuse women of sexual abuse. Usually gay women. And feminism doesn’t mean harassing gay women who’ve been a victim of DARVO. Standing with gay women who’ve been abused doesn’t make me or anyone else a misogynist, contrary to your weird ass claims.
Just cuz an alleged says no he didn’t: That does not automatically mean he’s innocent. It’s just inconclusive without evidence.
Well, inconclusive is going to mean that unfortunately, that guy is probably getting away scott-free, as most courts are not going to want to just take testimony as their sole piece of evidence. If we can’t prove neither is telling the truth, they can’t convict a person.
I believe the women. I WANT with my heart and soul for him to rot. Testimony + EVIDENCE is the only way the court is ever gonna throw the PRESIDENT in jail. The pictures, black book, etc. are very helpful, and I wish they’d just convict him with that alone + testimony. If it’s left up to a jury, maybe we wouldn’t be fucked. But you can’t seriously think testimony alone is gonna be satisfactory enough.
and idgaf about what gender you are ‘as a’ you can be sexist against women while being a woman.
Never said internalized misogyny doesn’t exist, just mentioned it because OP seems to think literally no women on Lemmy exist. Of course I can’t prove my gender on an anonymous site, so moot point now…
Just because I say we need evidence, I’m a misogynist? Ok. Never fucking called Trump’s accusers liars, I quite literally said there’s no way he isn’t a fucking pedo.
You can support SA accusers by hearing their side, having an open mind, and understanding that what they said COULD BE and is VERY LIKELY to be true, especially if several people are complaining. BUT, we still can’t just jump without looking, and so a court trial must occur. You’re supposed to do your absolute best to support them so they can reveal their truth in court and get all the evidence they need to bring that person down. That’s all we can do to get justice.
ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Having the evidence needed to convict is different than evidence to no longer trust and shun.
With 20+ woman making accusations, being friends with a known pedophile and literally having recordings of him bragging about sexually assaulting women and bragging about going backstage with undressed teen girls the world shouldn’t need any more evidence. The honest and rational world doesn’t in fact.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Convictions are important going up against the rich and powerful. They live lives where they don’t have to care what us plebians think.
Genius@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
Are you talking about “just believing women”, or are you talking about someone who has way more evidence against them than just what women say?
Because I think you’re replying to someone who’s talking about “just believing women”