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Comment on We wouldn’t need the Epstein files to prove DJT’s guilt if society just trusted women in the first place.

“If we just trusted women”

We don’t trust people based on their gender. We trust them based on credibility and evidence. If there’s even the tiniest amount of doubt then it better to let the guilty walk free rather than put an innocent person in jail. And I’m speaking broadly here - not about Trump specifically.

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breecher@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
That is not OP’s point. Their point is the opposite, namely that a lot of people automatically distrust people (women) based on their gender. Lots of women have provided credible evidence under oath:

en.wikipedia.org/…/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct…

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h3rmit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Yeah, and inoccent until proven guilty. We should not believe absolutely anyone, regardless of gender, making any accusation.

Every accusation should be thoroughly investigated, though.

It happened with Neil Gaiman recently. Many accusations, no sentence for him (at least as of yet), he denies the claims.

Yet, massive lost to reputation, projects cancelled, etc.

If he’s found guilty, all the shame and consecuences to him, but society should stop acting like people talking or a “hyper graphical article” makes things true.

We live in the age of quick opinions, echo chambers, and the like.

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- Amir@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Another example is Luigi Mangione, everyone already thinks he did it, when there’s no evidence and only “evidence” it was him
  
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- Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  […] We should not believe absolutely anyone, regardless of gender, making any accusation. […]
  
  Do you make a distinction between “accusation” and “testimony”?
  
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  - h3rmit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    As long as the testimony is not from one of the involved parties, yes, eyewitness is evidence. The lowest tier of evidence, mind you, since it has been proven quite unreliable, even with cross-examinstion and the likes (sorry if it’s not the word, not a native English speaker).
    
    But yeah, if it’s not the accusing party, or any party with interests in the matter, and it is proven there is no coercion or personal interest, it should count as evidence.
    
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Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

[…] We trust [people] based on credibility and evidence. […]

I don’t think this is necessarily the case. For example, one could give someone a chance despite past wrongs.

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Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If victims are capable of lying, rapists are capable of lying when accused of raping too.

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