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flamingos@feddit.uk 5 days agoBecause God must use some criteria to assess if something is morally right or not, otherwise morality would be arbitrary (see the Euthyphro dilemma). These criteria can exist without God, therefore morality can exist without God.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 5 days ago
God has His own endorsed criteria. If there’s no God to endorse the criteria, the criteria holds no weight. Good action is good because it is loved by God.
flamingos@feddit.uk 5 days ago
You’ve just moved some words around. God must have reasons for thinking something is good, otherwise goodness would be arbitrary. You can argue that god is only one who can know those reasons/criteria, but I don’t think there’s a good argument that these reasons/criteria can’t exist without them.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 5 days ago
Then that’s kind of the whole “where did God come from” argument
flamingos@feddit.uk 5 days ago
No it’s not? I’m arguing that morality must be something separate from God. If the only thing that makes something morally right is that God wills it, then if God ever changes what they will, what is morally right will change.