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Comment on YSK that "AI" in itself is highly unspecific term

ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

I still think intelligence is a marketing term or simply a misnomer. It’s basically an advanced calculator. Intelligence questions, creates rules from nothing, transforms raw data from reality into ideas, has its own volition… And the same goes for a chess engine, of course, it’s just more visible because it’s not spitting out text but chess moves. Intelligence and consciousness don’t seem to be computational processes.

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turboshadowcool@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I could follow everything you said up until the conclusion. If consciousness is not computational, then what is going on in our brains instead? I know of course that even neuroscientists don’t know exactly, but just in broad principle. I always thought our brains are still doing computation, just with a different method to computers. I don’t mean to be contrarian, I’m just genuenly curious what other kind of process could support consciousness?

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- ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’m not gonna claim to ‘know’ things here, and I’m too groggy to even attempt to give you a satisfying answer but: applied formal logic as seen in any machine based on logic gates is just an expression/replication of simplified thought and not a copy of our base mental processes. The mind understands truths that cannot even be formalized or derived, such as axiomatic truths. Even if something can be understood and predicted, it doesn’t mean the process could be written down in code. It certainly isn’t today…
  
  My understanding of the topic is closer to Roger Penrose’s postulates so please check this wiki page and maybe watch a couple of vids on the topic, I’m just a peasant with a hunch when it comes to “AI”. 🤷
  
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Perspectivist@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
You’re describing intelligence more like a soul than a system - something that must question, create, and will things into existence. But that’s a human ideal, not a scientific definition. In practice, intelligence is the ability to solve problems, generalize across contexts, and adapt to novel inputs. LLMs and chess engines both do that - they just do it without a sense of self.

A calculator doesn’t qualify because it runs “fixed code” with no learning or generalization. There’s no flexibility to it. It can’t adapt.

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- ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Not just human but many other animals too, the only group of entities we have ever used the term ‘intelligence’ for. It could be an entirely physical process, sure (doesn’t imply replication but at least holds a hopeful possibility). I’m not gonna lie and say I understand the ins and outs of these bots, I’m definitely more ignorant on the subject than not, but I don’t see how the word intelligence applies in earnest here. Handheld calculators are programmed to “solve problems” based on given rules too… dynamic code and other advances don’t change the fact that they’re the same logic-gate machine at their core. Having said that, I’m sure they have their uses (idk if they’re worth harming the planet for them with the amount of energy they consume!), I’m just not the biggest fan of the semantics.
  
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