Okay, so? Why is it normal to judge people for smoking but not for overeating?
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halvar@lemy.lol 1 month ago
not only ai slop, also body shaming
neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
disgrunty@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Last time I checked, there’s no such thing as secondhand calories. If I see a fat dude eating a burger, he’s not harming me or anyone around him.
Also, making shallow judgements based just on appearances is shitty. You don’t know if they’ve got thyroid issues or some other shit that causes weight gain. Ain’t no disease that forces people to smoke either.
neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
yeah, if only we lived in an age where medication made it possible for people with medical problems to treat them and live a normal life. But alas, that’s not our fate. So sad.
maybe if you as a society started actually being healthy and stopped eating until your heart has to pump with the power of a dozen hydraulic pumps just to circulate your blood we could actually be finding treatments for people that have such medical issues and help them. Instead of telling ourselves that comforting people who have to use pythagoras’ formula to calculate where their legs are because they can’t look down anymore somehow helps those with diseases, we could actually find cures for them.
And yes, they do impact me. They unnecessarily clog up hospitals taking up vital resources and costing a lot of money, more than smokers (fun fact: Thanks to the high taxes on cigarettes nad their early deaths, smokers are cheaper on the health service than even normal people). Infrastructure also suffers as it needs to be designed around fat people. And we’ve all been unable to sit on a bus while a fat person takes up an entire row for themselves.
Don’t lie to yourself. Obesity is a problem and it’s manmade. Deep down you know this. If liberalism means that a person is allowed to overeat as much as they want with no regard for how they’re burdening society and those around them, then it also means that I’m allowed to make fun of you for being fat with no regard for how I’m “burdening” them.
disgrunty@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
I agree with your points about medical resources being taken up, but that doesn’t change the fact that a fat trucker isn’t going to give me heart disease by eating gross junk in my presence. My niece, however, did die of lung cancer caused by secondhand smoke so I apologise if I had a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to the smoker example but it is a horrible way to go and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
I never once said that overeating isn’t a problem, a considerable number of people do have a problem with that. I agree with you that more should be done to combat obesity caused by overeating, like making junk food less of a convenient option. Maybe even healthy ready meals for people who work long shifts and just want something easy.
We can’t tell someone’s history from their waistband. Mistreating people based off assumptions is just bad manners and treating your fellow man with basic courtesy isn’t liberal ffs
UltraBlack@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Ok but hear me out - since when is obesity desirable? I’m all for body shaming of people decide to reduce their weight as a result.
disgrunty@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Okay and how do you know if you’re bullying one of the bad lazy fatties and not someone with, for example, PCOS or thyroid problems? You think those people don’t have enough trouble without shallow shitheads harassing them for existing?
Basic human decency should not come with a weight limit.
UltraBlack@lemmy.world 1 month ago
These are a smaalll portion. The overwhelming majority is just normal obese
disgrunty@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Again: basic human decency should not come with a weight limit.
halvar@lemy.lol 1 month ago
Well I agree with around half of what you’ve just said. Being obese isn’t healthy and everyone who is obese should know that. When people use body positivity to justify the fact that they don’t care about their health they are obviously wrong. What body positivity is about is that people have the right to make decisions over their own bodies and other people should respect that and be emphatetic. Bullying people isn’t being empathetic. I, who normally doesn’t like to use the body shaming arguement felt compelled to write my comment, because I felt that where this post came from also lacked said empathy.
UltraBlack@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It just annoys me when people who are obese as a result of their own unhealthy habits blame the world for being unsuitable for obese people. And many people are like this
halvar@lemy.lol 1 month ago
I know where you’re coming from, but in general “the world being unsuitable” is people lacking empathy and/or bullying people for being overweight. At least that’s what I mostly hear about, overweight people complaining about social pressure.
And sure there are a lot of overweight people who for some reason feel compelled to constantly rationalize their life choices to people who didn’t ask, but then again if this is the problem so are there a lot of other people from every other group that people regularly critique that do the same.
But with that being said I think we should point out that as there are few other “groups” one could join voluntarily and the “affiliation” with which is so immediately recognizable to anyone just by looking at you, that I do think overweight people receive a disproportional amount of critique compared to for example smokers. Statistically speaking smoking is more unhealthy and globally it’s even more prevalent than eating unhealthy, but when was the last time you heard someone was getting bullied for lighting a cigarette?