Comment on Without the precursor of Spirituality and Religion, there can be no morality.
tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
I get where you’re coming from. I used to think the same thing. I don’t anymore and I would urge you to look more into subjective vs objective morality. Alex O’Connor has some really good thoughts on the matter.
Arkouda@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
I would urge you to look at the fact that every documented human group we have evidence from had a spiritual belief structure, and that it is safe to assume that a spiritual belief system was required for our species to form larger groups and bigger populations.
This does not argue the existence of God, just our species constant and persistent belief that something supernatural is behind that shit. Which also happens to be the driver of early scientific study.
If you assumed I was Religious based on my post I also urge you to check your bigotry.
Z3k3@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I think the issue here is horse before cart
Humans as a species have a need to explain the world around us. Unfortunately the thought process before the codified use of science was “i don’t know there for god”
This means the spiritual system was in place was in place before morality.
This spiritually was bent around what was acceptable at the time. Slavery capital punishment polygamy etc. All of which are more or less moral based on nothing more than where you live
Arkouda@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
This sounds like you agree with me.
Z3k3@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Not really your arguing unless I’m misunderstanding you your basically arguing coronation = causation
We are now in a time where spirituality is not built in (terms and conditions apply) but morality still exist.
Hell I’d argue in this day and age societal spirituality is harmful to morality
tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
Yes, humans tend to explain things they don’t understand using myths. And yes, humans have historically used those same myths to explain morality. How does it then follow that religion and spiritualism are required for morality to exist?
Arkouda@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
If a unified morality is required for our species to coexist in ever larger groups, and evidence of spiritual belief has been found in every documented group of Humans, why wouldn’t it be safe to assume that spirituality was a requirement for our species to move beyond small family units?