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• Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  AI artworks 1/3rd shite and 2/3rds theft.

  To be fair, that could be said of most art.

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  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’m sorry your life is so joyless and devoid of enjoyable art but its absolutely not true for the vast majority of us.

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    • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Oh, I enjoy lots of great art! But do you think I watch every film? Listen to every band?

      Do you really believe, of all the songs that are written every day, that less than a third are crap? Even Taylor Swift doesn’t publish everything she does. Sometimes you work on something for weeks and then end up tossing it in the bin. More often, you work on something for 30 minutes before deciding “I’m gonna start over, try something different”. The majority of art is crap, but then you keep the stuff you think works.

      And what’s that expression, “good artists copy, great artists steal”. I mean, that’s a bit satirical, but the fact is, everything is derivative to some degree. It’s not that is l there aren’t new ideas, it’s just that our new ideas are based on older ones. We stand on the shoulders of giants (or at least, on the shoulders of some people who came before us).

      All I was really saying, was that the accusation “2 parts copying, 1 part crap”, well honestly that’s par for the course, that’s how humans work. (And we do some great work that way).

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      • aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I enjoy lots of great art! But do you think I watch every film? Listen to every band? There’s tons of shit out there!

        You said regular art is 1/3 shite and 2/3 theft. Maybe math isn’t your strong suit but that’s 3/3 which is 100% so by claiming regular art is the same you’re saying all art is either theft or shit.

        It uh, it isn’t.

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      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Don’t care didn’t ask didn’t read

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• Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  So what you are saying is that it has a purpose. Also if an artist is inspired by another artist, and they have a generally similar art style as the artist they are inspired by, are they stealing? Was HP Lovecraft stealing from Lord Dunsany when he imitated his style? Where all those monks that transcribed Greek works stealing from the Greeks?

  I will say that most AIs are unethical because they have been trained on pirated works. But an AI trained on publicly available works (ie news articles, blogs etc) and movies, books and music for which access to was paid for is as ethical as you or me emulating an artist or building on an idea that we read to create something new. And if that’s unethical then all human art in history is unethical because all artists are inspired by other artists, no one creates in a vacuum.

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  • thedruid@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    A. I does not create, it regurgitates and clarifies inspiration,? Sure anything can be used for inspiration. But unless a person puts hands and heart to it, it’s not art.

    Following a recipe on a box does not a chef makr

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    • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Art has no rules my man.

      You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics you want but there’s no difference between an artist looking at Frank Frazetta’s art and basing their style off of it and an AI doing the same thing. You might not like it, but it’s the truth.

      Do I think the art has the same value? Not necessarily. But I also never thought that all art has the same value. There has always been trash production line art and good art.

      But also I have to say that I’ve already seen some people use AI as a tool for art and make some really cool stuff that I don’t think any other artist would have made and it’s more unique than most of the stuff out there. You can use it as the tool it is or complain and cry about it to no avail.

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      • thedruid@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Fuck that. I’ll prove you wrong right now.

        I want you to paint me picture of a cow in a field.
        Did I do that,?

        Nope. I commissioned you to.

        Now if you the commissioned guy used a. I to make the item , how much credit should you get? None. … describing what you want to a machine is a child’s play game.

        Humans adults create. Machines mimic.

        Humans who think a. I is art are liars and con men afraid of being caught.

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  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I literally said in exact words that it has no purpose.

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