Hungary in 1941 was an Axis power. Whatever “information” coming from “a Hungarian doctor” would literally be like basing a study on what “Nazi doctors” had to say about Soviet troops in Germany, literally no reason to take it seriously, as i said it’s Nazi propaganda. Furthermore, this is a contemporary study paid for with EU money and carried out by a Hungarian government agency. Why do you take so seriously anti-Russian governments made propaganda? If you’re Hungarian and you’re against the Soviets, I have bad news: you’re standing with the Nazis.
HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
1945-46, not 1941. There were no Russian troops in Hungary in 41, nor were there any in Germany for that matter. These missives were sent by the Communist Party officials in Hungary, same people who executed Szálasi Ferenc.
So this is a pro Russian government collecting the data, and the study is literally just collating the data and it doesn’t even make conclusions, it’s just a collection of data so you don’t have to fish for it in the Archives.
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 22 hours ago
Fair enough, I can’t read Hungarian.
Now, do you have any sources of rape statistics by Nazis in Belarus, or by Americans in west-germany? Or maybe those things weren’t studied and publicised because that would be against the objective of propagating anticommunist propaganda?
BTW, why is your focus on Russians? Don’t you know the Red Army had sizeable proportions of Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakh, and many of the ethnical minorities within Russia proper?
HK65@sopuli.xyz 19 hours ago
I guess the Belarusians do. About the Americans, I (and to be honest the whole country of Hungary) has no love lost for them either. Our family lost relatives in American bombings. One could say our country deserved it for going to war, but Hungary wasn’t really a free democratic country back then, it was at best a military dictatorship. You could also say Hungary is exploited by corporations today and has a bad case of neoliberalism, but that’s coming more from the Germans than the US. Fuck Merkel BTW.
My focus is on Russians because the troops raping and robbing throughout the land were ordered and supervised by Moscow. There is literally no difference between a Russian, an Ukrainian a Hungarian or an American with regards to whether they would rape people or rob people. Those people were also kids taken from home and sent against German machineguns to die. Btw I also don’t subscribe to the “human wave” BS if you want to know. The difference on whether an army will rape everything in sight or if they act as a “decent” occupying force is decided when an officer rapes someone, will it get overlooked, or will that person end up being shot. In the Red Army, it was mixed, and depended on their superior. Plenty of Red Army soldiers got executed summarily by their superiors for rape and murder, but the Red Army in general did not care.
The result is a deeply sick society in these “liberated” countries that you can see in Hungary and Poland where people are overcompensating in politics, and we get idiots like Orbán elected. There is a measurable regression in women’s rights as well in Hungary compared to the neighbours, which started when people coped by treating rape as “not a big deal” in the 40s, since the alternative would have been that they have been powerless to protect their loved ones from the unspeakable. Many people committed suicide as I’ve mentioned. And now we have the only EU country that is not a signatory to the Istambul agreement. This has been extensively studied as well, by communists as well.
I’m not even anti-communist BTW. I just think that condoning rape and murder, a cult of personality and a lot of what was coming from Moscow was not good for communism as a whole either. The stupid thing was that communism was actually popular in Hungary after WWII after people witnessed the horrors of fascism first-hand. But that turned sour when the Soviets tried forcing an idiotic economic plan (heavy industry on a country that is basically one big grainfield with no minerals), and when the resulting economic hardships and friction resulted in a local communist-led revolt against the Soviet occupiers, which the Soviets brutally crushed, leading to brutal repression and a perpetual occupation.