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ameancow@lemmy.world 4 days agoWe are facing a huge problem that nobody seems to be able to identify, which is not voter turnout. The sad, horrible truth is the last couple election cycles we had record turnout and more young people involved than ever before… AND THEY VOTED FOR TRUMP. It’s going to happen all across the world as more and more people have access to their little algorithmic ideology bubbles.
So what’s the problem? Atomization of groups. Everyone is isolated and not exposed to each other’s perspectives and it’s making a vacuum that corporations are easily leveraging to get their right-wing puppets installed so they can make line go up. This atomization is literally turning people delusional, and if we don’t push back on it we are going to lose not just the USA but all democracy and organization.
We fight it with activity and community and socialization. If it takes screaming at people to get off their asses, I will do that and I will do it in ways that piss people off if it gets attention.
You berate neurodivergent and queer people specifically
Exactly the kind of bad-faith, seething, atomized perspective I want to fight by forcing people like YOU to listen to people like ME who will say things to piss you off and make you reconsider what someone else is saying. We need to do that not on Lemmy but out in bars, in family gatherings, in social media, in public lectures, in town council meetings and so on. Withdrawing now will kill you all. I am being dead serious. This avoidance of conflict except with people who want the same outcome as you is ruining our entire world.
areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 4 days ago
I already talk politics on normie social media, and in bars, and even to colleagues sometimes. I do all these things, for all the good it might do. You don’t fully understand who you are talking to, the demographic you are trying to address, anymore than you understand politics outside of America. Queer and Neurodivergent people are already some of the most radicalised people who fight the most. They make up a good chunk of the alt-right, and much of the alt-left too. You have just spent too much time talking to the chronically online individuals or whatever the term is.
As I said here we had a landslide loss against the right wing party. Mainly because the British people won’t tolerate the kinds of scandals that the politicians got up to, certainly we wouldn’t tolerate Trump here. The outcome though was the left wing party doing the bad stuff instead. It’s not about compromise when people’s rights are on the line. I am not saying don’t vote where you are, and I certainly voted where I am. It’s just at this point that strategy isn’t working as well as it should. While screaming at people is great, I don’t even know what to tell them to do. Whoever I would tell them to vote for either won’t get in, will do harmful things, or are far too radical for normal people to go for, or some combo of the above. Not really convinced that screaming works either. Honey catches more flies than vinegar. Especially with someone like you who is screaming at the wrong people in the wrong way for probably the wrong reasons.
ameancow@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I have, and I know it, and those are who I am speaking to the most because that’s who are here in sites like this in the most numbers. I am here trying to rally people, even if it’s out of spite and anger and offense, to stay involved.
The last presidential election we had has had some of the highest voter participation and youth participation in history, and they still voted for Trump, so the problem isn’t exterior, it’s coming from inside the house, and as long as we’re lamenting and feeling like shit about it, we’re falling into their trap.
areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 2 days ago
I keep telling you I am not an American, and things don’t always or often work that same way outside of America. Though there are parts of Europe struggling with similar issues now. None of what you are saying makes that much sense in the UK. There are young people who want radical right wing policies, but they aren’t voting for the mainstream conservative party. They are voting for Reform UK, causing the right wing vote to be split. This split is a large part of why they lost the last election by a country mile. Meanwhile Labour moving right, combined with repeated scandals by the conservatives has lead to even life long conservative voters changing sides. Them moving right has also lead to them being critical of transgender people. Our Labor prime minister has gone so far to say that even transgender women who have a legal certificate should not use Women’s spaces. It’s crazy honestly. This is the same guy that’s pro-nationalization and pro-regulation.
You keep saying we even though we aren’t even in the same situation. It seems all you care about is the USA. Honestly I personally think the USA needs to hurry up and collapse already since that’s what seems to be happening anyway, and the slow collapse will just cause more issues.
If you want people to cooperate better and get along together the best thing you can tell them to do is to not get involved in politics at all. Politics is a lot of what is causing this division and “atomization” as you call it. Neurodivergent people are easily radicalized by extremists of both sides both alt-left and alt-right. You are better off telling them not to get involved at all if you want people to follow community and stop forming cliques. Of course you aren’t going to do that, because you actually have an agenda yourself. I wouldn’t tell people to do that either for the same reason. Although actually you could do some targeted voter suppression and disenfranchisement with right-wing people if you wanted to steer things in a left wing direction. If all you care about is winning the vote then you need to start employing and using the same tactics as the alt-right use against everyone else. Pushing radical ideas and policies would be a good step in the right direction, since that’s exactly what the alt-right do.