Comment on YSK: Non-violent protests are 2x likely to succeed and no non-violent movement that has involved more than 3.5% of the country population has ever failed

• SpaceCadet@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Have you ever watched this, tankboy?

  archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://…/AIIbbPs

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  • AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    This literally shows exactly what I’m saying… There are pictures of tankman climbing the tank to have a chat with the crew…

    Regardless, I’ve compiled all of the sources from the article:

    A doctor at the time said

    a radio announcer reported the

    Or, even worse:

    a secret British cable from the time alleged that

    So essentially: either “source: trust me bro”, or “source: external actor from a geopolitically opposed nation”. Would you be taking “a secret Russian cable from the time alleged that” with regard to, e.g., police repression in BLM protests?

    Lmao especially at the main (and last) source from the article:

    Freedom House, an independent organization dedicated to promoting freedom around the world

    Like, how is this not an obvious CIA front organization? Are you actually that gullible? It’s literally “freedom eagle burger institute”…

    British ambassador to China Sir Alan Donald wrote a secret diplomatic cable

    Again with the western sources. This is laughable, and the fact that you would even consider this serious makes you so pathetically gullible that I’m this close to giving up talking with you, but let’s go ahead.

    The former ambassador explained that his account stemmed from personal conversations from a “good friend” in China’s State Council

    “Bro I swear, a Chinese official whom I won’t name told me all of this the same day, I swear bro. It doesn’t matter that my country is an anticommunist capitalist regime with clear motives to make up atrocity propaganda as it’s done many times in the past, just trust me bro”. What a fucking joke of a source.

    Anyway, all of this isn’t to say there was no violence in the Tiananmen protests. Protesters were indeed killed by the army, I’m not arguing against this, I literally only talked about the tankman picture before.

    But, as your picture evidence proves (there are literally burnt tanks and murdered soldiers in the pictures), this isn’t because “le evil seeseepee authoritarians against peaceful wholesome 100 protesters”. The article actually contradicts the western press reports at the time, which confirmed that the military violence against protestors happened outside the Tiananmen square, proving that your article is mostly manufactured western anticommunist propaganda.

    The violence started from the protestors against the military, and the military responded. I’m not claiming the response was appropriate, limited and not brutal, I am not really aware of the numbers and I honestly don’t care much to know, they dwarf in comparison with the hundreds of millions of lives that China saved through the land collectivisation policies in the Mao times, the accessibility to decent healthcare, and the decolonisation of China.

    Bonus point: funny how there is a widespread availability of HQ pictures from a 1989 protest and the victims of state violence in China, but we live in 2025 fully into the smartphone era and there isn’t a single shred of photographic evidence of the famous so-called “Uyghur genocide”

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    • SpaceCadet@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      There are pictures of tankman climbing the tank to have a chat with the crew

      Oh wow, so I wonder what happened to Tank Man afterwards. Has anyone spoken to him afterwards? No? Why’s that?

      military violence against protestors happened outside the Tiananmen square

      Oh yes, my bad, that totally makes it ok ☺️

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      • AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Thanks for completely ignoring my analysis of the sources of your “have you seen this, you filthy commie?” article. Kinda proving that you’re arguing from vibes here and not from material evidence.

        Has anyone spoken to him afterwards? No? Why’s that?

        Because he’s an anonymous dude only known from a low-res video that absolutely doesn’t allow for identification?

        Massacres outside the square don’t count

        You’re being purposefully obtuse. I explicitly said that the degree of repression was probably overboard and unnecessary, and a dark episode in Chinese history. You’re literally ignoring my reasonable points and arguing against strawmans, while refusing to do the bare minimum analysis of the sources of your material

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