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• rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Free and open instances will, over time, shut down because they’re obviously unsustainable, so they won’t be sustained.

  How many of the 5.5k users from lemm.ee are going to say “Lesson learned. If I want an instance that is sustainable I should look for a professional instance or run my own”? I’m not going to say zero, but I really doubt it’s going to be “more than 3”.

  The problem here is that while individual instances may die, there is always a new ~~sucker ~~ enthusiast coming up thinking “my server will be different”.

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  • Demigodrick@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lemm.ee didn’t shut down because it was financially unsustainable though. It shut down because the admin team didn’t want to do it anymore.

    Plenty of people have offered to take lemm.ee on and AFAIK nothing has progressed, but handled in a different way there could have been continuity and no need for users to transition away.

    Given that the issue wasn’t one of finance and rather one of effort/will, how does charging for access change anything? The owner could decide they have had enough, walk away, and shut everything down anyway, no?

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    • rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It shut down because the admin team didn’t want to do it anymore.

      It shut down because the admin team didn’t want to do it for free anymore. There were just too many people, too many bad actors for little reward. By charging for access, you manage to both increase the reward and reduce the amount of people, so the whole equation changes significantly.

      how does charging for access change anything? The owner could decide they have had enough, walk away, and shut everything down anyway, no?

      Sure, but the amount of pain that I get from my ~50 paying customers is infinitely less than the headaches that you’ll be getting.

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  • Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The problem here is that while individual instances may die, there is always a new sucker enthusiast coming up thinking “my server will be different”.

    Not the nicest way to talk about @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone, @Shadow@lemmy.ca or @Demigodrick@lemmy.zip

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    • rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Interesting… the more time passes and your previous arguments fall along with the instances that you supported, the more you are resorting to tone policing.

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      • Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If avoiding insulting other people is tone policing, sure.

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