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limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day agoThat election companies cannot be trusted, but the deniers were careful to not approach this scientifically or convincingly. Offering instead pseudo science and illogical schemes done by madmen. Because of this they set back the paper vote movements by decades in some states.
Another thing that draws them followers is that tens of thousands of small towns have died economically, in the last three decades, but no programs to help them, and no sympathy in the large cities
Tens of thousands?
As of 2018, there are 19,495 incorporated cities, towns and villages in the United States. 14,768 of these have populations below 5,000. Only ten have populations above 1 million and none are above 10 million. 310 cities are considered at least medium cities with populations of 100,000 or more.
Unincorporated towns in Texas is 4k, I would guess the number of very unincorporated is a ratio of 2:1 nation wide I am not sure.
But using some rough math , and being incredibly stubborn to prove my point, that brings the total number up to 60k, of which 1/3 ( maybe) have seen economic hardship
You are guessing at numbers and figures now.
Can you find any statistics to look at? California as an example has about a million people living in unincorporated area. But that includes forests and other natural sites in it.
Where can i find that 4k unicorporated texas towns information?
I know the Texas count is accurate, I looked it up. I was too lazy and uninspired to look at other states. However I would be surprised if it were not at least half the corporate areas, nationally in total?
Jarix@lemmy.world 1 day ago
How are they right about election fraud? Specifically voting.
Gerrymandering is a disgusting in the US, but that’s not election companies, that’s politicians not the bound companies.
Dominion has been cleared of the fraudulent claims so that doesn’t hold up as evidence
limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
So many states have problems with exit polls being correct , that all the major broadcasters and news agencies, in the USA, stopped using them a few years ago to predict many races.
Exit polls are used elsewhere reliably to detect large scale manipulation of ballots, and have been used by the United Nations. They used to work in the USA
Mail in ballot counting is reliable. This leaves electronic ballots as the only means to change that many votes. Indeed, if you look at states that use more traditional methods of counting their exit polls generally are accurate.
In addition many states fail other statistical tests that are also used to detect cheating in the primaries for both parties and general races.
Based on statistical tests that have been accepted worldwide for generations there is cheating happening. This is ignored by both parties and the vast majority of people .
In my opinion nothing was proved that these counting companies have accurate results. This is because most of what they do is hidden by trade secrets. And the USA has a lack of recounts that do not use these very systems.
Jarix@lemmy.world 1 day ago
So then the problem is exit polls, not voting gotcha.
If there is something wrong with exit polls thats not the same thing as votes.
That difference is essential to understand isnt it? Votes didn’t have to change for exit polls to be manipulated.
And the entire hanging Chad bull shit from gore/bush should never have happened either. Paper solves nothing in this instance.
Corruption of media and political groups sure, that’s a problem… Everywhere though.
Exit polls are voluntary, and are internally prone to people lying.
You jumping to “votes got changed” needs to be verified. And the voting systems themselves were not found to have been manipulated. That leaves polling stations/systems needing to be checked… Not just the reporting on those exit polls.
Regardless, I’m not trying to change your opinion on whether you think votes were changed, the point your claim that MAGA got this right has no evidence, just opinion.
They also got vaccines wrong, abortion wrong, masking wrong.
I’m truly sorry you feel they got these things right.
limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I’m a paper ballot and small town guy, I’m not a mega and my life was saved by vaccines. Also I indirectly help people get abortions ( I live in Texas). In all actuality I’m closer to being a communist than anything else.
So, if people can agree that exit polls are off, the next question is why?
If you look at the history of exit polling they are only off, in a historical sense, when there is mass ballot stuffing.
So that leaves either there is cheating or somehow Americans are so exceptional they overturn precedent.
And don’t forget the other stats tests. One of them which sorts the precincts by size and compares the percentage of votes each candidate received. It should be a kind of line. In California it is, in many other states it is not.
So not only do Americans have to be unique, in one way. They have to be exceptional in other ways to explain the other tests, used over the works fur generations.
All of this while the hidden counting of ballots is going on, without enough recounts .
Occam’s razor and all that.