she was being beaten by a guy bigger than her
No, he was smaller.
who was throwing out hate speech.
Not punishable by death in the land of the free last time i checked.
she was being beaten by a guy bigger than her
No, he was smaller.
who was throwing out hate speech.
Not punishable by death in the land of the free last time i checked.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
You’re right she was taller…
But after reading many articles, it still sounds like self defense to me. It sounds like two people got into a petty altercation, and hate speech amplified emotions greatly. I don’t know if you know, but trans women are VERY often victims of abuse and murder simply for being trans.
And going off the guy’s gate speech and throwing the first punches, and that she gave him a final warning while supposedly backed into a corner, it sounds like she came out on top and went a little crazy over it.
Honestly, if I were in her situation and a guy cut in front of me and started calling me hate speech AND started attacking me, I would be both furious and terrified. I’m not nearly as abused as she was, but after going over what still feels like incomplete facts, I really don’t blame her. My issue lies with the quick condemnation voices of her, here, and the heavy bias it feels like it stems from.
Like I could very well be wrong, but judging by everybody who wants blood here being shockingly belligerent, I’m approaching with caution and skepticism.
Maybe you have a source of facts that I’m not aware of that you could share?
0x0@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
The same sources as everyone else.
She started it, she’s bigger than him, she escalated it, she drew a knife, she has priors with knife-related incidents, she showed no remorse. You trying to defend her seems like trans exceptionalism. Trans are people, so there are good trans people and bad trans people. You can guess which option prevails in these comments.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
I saw no discussion of her being bigger than him, only that she was 6’5 in one article.
I saw no definitive evidence of who started it. In fact I saw lots of articles saying they didn’t know who started it.
I saw people claiming she has no remorse, but somebody who was afraid for their life and sick and tired of being hate crimed wouldn’t feel much remorse over deleting somebody to defend themselves. Could also be opposite performative.
She drew a knife after being back against a wall after being punched at least three times, and telling him not to go to her. Which he obviously did. That SCREAMS self defense.
Me trying to defend her could definitely seem like trans exceptionalism. But so could any dissent given to a trans person. Ive explained this previously, but I’ll say it again: my issue is with the condemning anger and belligerence here. Which to me, seems like anti-trans rhetoric and microaggressions. Which is why I doubted this at all in the first place. If she’s insane and did it in cold blood and unhinged, so be it, but the evidence and character judgements I’ve seen do not point to that at all, but rather that she was just a person like everybody else, and pushed really hard and decided to kill the person she was defending herself from. Which is the exact point of protecting people legally who are defending themselves.
And then on top of it, it’s a highly publicized story that’s basically about a scuffle gone wrong between two random ass people in a sandwich shop. They’re both nobodies. This is an obvious wedge story. Because if it was self defense or not, I think the greater interesting point is that so many people seem to be so passionate (belligerent) about it. It just FEELS so gross. Like… Is this a law community? Why are so many people up in arms about their anger being questioned? Did you know a postal worker? Are you falling prey to demonizing trans people? Do YOU have an agenda? Last I checked, doubting the optics of a case like this and questioning and looking for facts was a smart thing to do. We’re all on the same side here, of not wanting to be murdered or taken advantage or abused…
Like worst case, he was a violent transphobe who was angry and gonna hate crime her, or she was a drug addict looking for a fight and really wanted to just murder any person.
But that’s why I’m asking you for a source. Because yours obviously has different or more detail than the ones I’ve read.
Here, I’ll go first:
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