Comment on Does Consciousness Disappear in Dreamless Sleep?

ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• query@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And if the teleportation process doesn’t terminate the original, but creates a copy on the other end, are they both the same person?

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  • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Creating and destroying perfectly identical copies of the information that corresponds to a person neither creates nor destroys people unless the very last copy of that information is destroyed, in which case the person is killed.

    Small divergences aren’t a big deal. For example, if a person spends an hour under the effect of an anesthetic (or alcohol) which prevents the formation of new memories, this person isn’t dying when he goes to sleep and wakes up without any memories of that last hour.

    Larger divergences are a big deal - losing a year of memories is pretty bad, losing a decade is even worse, and having one’s mind returned to the blank slate of an infant is very close to the same thing as dying.

    So what I’m saying is that the two copies start out as the same person and then gradually become different people.

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    • doofy77@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You’ve been watching Farscape.

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      • Zorque@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I doubled her... twinned her!

        Definitely a fucky-brain episode.

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    • Anduin1357@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I would argue that two disconnected copies of the information that corresponds to a person does make 2 disjoint persons.

      Like running a different seed on procedural generation, entropy will ensure that these two identical persons won’t be identical after whatever ticks in the biological clock.

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      • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I agree that the copies will diverge almost instantly; I’m just saying that small amounts of diverge aren’t a big deal. That’s what I’m trying to illustrate with my example of the person who loses an hour of memories. I think this is exactly equivalent to making a copy, having that copy exist for an hour, and then destroying it.

        (I don’t feel like it’s exactly equivalent, but I think that’s an illusion caused by my moral intuitions developing in a wold where destroying a copy always means destroying the only copy.)

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  • jarfil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If it creates a copy, then it isn’t teleportation, it’s copying. Two copies will diverge from the moment they’re no longer a single copy.

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• ech@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  a change in the substrate on which it takes place also has no profound significance.

  It does to the person being “deleted”.

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• NegativeInf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It feels like dreaming is the “training from a batch of sample memories” tactic from deep learning.

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• Carnelian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Have you played SOMA? Fun game, gets into this exact type of thing

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  • massive_bereavement@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    SOMA is one of my favorite gaming experiences and probably one of the best sci-fi stories in this medium.

    Saddly some monster bits were a bit weaker and I think Amnesia fans felt it didn't match their expectations..

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