Comment on Palantir Started By Spying on a City Now Sells AI for War

hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• CoolThingAboutMe@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  In this video about Lavender AI which is Israel’s Palantir, they talk about the accuracy score that the AI gives targets for how sure it is that they are Hamas. It is used to determine how expensive the weapons to take that person out, and how many innocent bystanders they are willing to take out along with that target.

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  • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thanks, nice video and seems he has some numbers. Very inhuman that they figured out exact numbers how it has an allowance to take out 15/20 bystanders as well. Or an entire elementary school if it's an high ranking "target".

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• AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah there’s already at least one well known case. This article mentions it wp.api.aclu.org/press-releases/208236

  The use of facial recognition technology by Project NOLA and New Orleans police raises serious concerns regarding misidentifications and the targeting of marginalized communities. Consider Randal Reid, for example. He was wrongfully arrested based on faulty Louisiana facial recognition technology, despite never having set foot in the state. The false match cost him his freedom, his dignity, and thousands of dollars in legal fees. That misidentification happened based on a still image run through a facial recognition search in an investigation; the Project NOLA real-time surveillance system supercharges the risks.

  “We cannot ignore the real possibility of this tool being weaponized against marginalized communities, especially immigrants, activists, and others whose only crime is speaking out or challenging government policies. These individuals could be added to Project NOLA’s watchlist without the public’s knowledge, and with no accountability or transparency on the part of the police departments

  Police use to justify stops and arrests: Alerts are sent directly to a phone app used by officers, enabling immediate stops and detentions based on unverified purported facial recognition matches.

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  • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I'm looking more for large-scale quantitative numbers. I mean one destroyed life us really bad. But they could argue they'd have saved 30 lives in turn, and then we'd need to discuss how to do the maths on that...

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    • AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, I am not sure but hopefully somebody has the numbers. That is usually the argument for trampling the constitution.

      Hard to say how much has been actually documented bc they’ve been doing a lot of this stuff off record.

      They potentially saved 30000 lives locking up 100 people for crimes committed by somebody else in a states they’ve never been to and we might not even know about it

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      • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh well, some people in the USA have a really "interesting" relationship with their own constitution these days...

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• ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They accurately recognized my face from a picture that was over ten years old. I no longer look like I did in the picture. This is going to get bad now that our fascist state authoritarians are everywhere jerking off with their riches and superiority. They have this tech and will do terrible things with it. Impending doom…

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  • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I'm not very surprised. I think even old-school face recognition does things like measure distance between your eyes, nose etc, and stuff like that (your skull) doesn't change a lot during 10 years of adulthood. The real danger is that they connect all of that information. And as you said, it's everywhere these days, they have a lot of sources and -of course- it's in the wrong hands.

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    • anus@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You seem well informed, can you help me understand this a bit? Is this basically just ACAB, so any kind of helping the cops is Bad too?

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      • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well, I'm not a fan of oversimplifications and ACAB is one. I think the people pushing for a repressive surveillance state are politicians and lobbyists. The police force is merely executing that. Though I bet they like expensive playthings and power and control. Because that's kind of their job.

        It depends a bit on where you live. Here in Germany I think we have quite some well-trained cops who do their job well. And do what they're supposed to and help citizens with all kinds of things. Of course we also have bad cops, corrupt ones and people with blood on their hands, but I certainly hope they're far and in between. In America I'm not so sure. I'd surely never help an agency like ICE. That's proper fascist stuff and not ethical. Though I bet there are some cops who do good all day and rescue kittens from trees, idk. I don't think there's an issue with helping those if you like law and order.

        I think the issue with surveillance and weird oppressive abuse is bigger than those people. Sure they're involved and that's bad, but they're somewhere at the bottom when they do things like in the article above. Or randomly arrest people in NYC because they have $6 billion to waste on weird tech and some AI tells them to do something. I think the real issue are the people who give them the $6b, the people who decide what dystopian shit to buy with it, the people who passed the laws to instruct them to do it. And last but not least companies like Palantir who make a fortune off of people's misery.

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