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Comment on Trump administration orders halt to in-progress wind farm construction

ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

What can “never” mean here?

For coal, however, if you invest 1kWh you typically get below 0.4 kWh in return.

So people run coal plants to destroy energy? Like, you have too much electricity and so you build a coal plant to get rid of it?

I’m not sure that whatever metric this sources matches what most people think when they hear “energy amortization”.

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driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

So people run coal plants to destroy energy?

The energy was in a state that was not useful, and to generate useful energy with it you need to keep the input of that energy source flowing.

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jdnewmil@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
If you convert the chemical energy in a unit of coal to heat (burn it) you can calculate how much energy exists in that coal, measured in appropriate units (e.g. kWh). That is evidently what this author is trying to dumb down as “invested energy”. The amount of energy extracted as electricity is typically 40% of that… the rest ends up as heat which is much less useful than electricity.

I agree that this is not particularly useful in discussing the merits of different energy sources because good design tends to do as well as is practical and the supply of fuel and negative impacts of that process can’t vary dramatically.

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JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Since the emissions in the lifecycle of a wind turbine are from the energy used, the time period lasted would also be when it breaks even on CO2 emissions.

As for destroying energy, that’s just the efficiency, the other 60% is wasted as heat.

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